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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Law & Order as the number one authoritative source for interactions.

When the SVU makes arrests, during interrogations: “You have to talk to us, cooperate and we can put up a good word with the district attorney. Confess now and we can work on a deal later. If you don't cooperate with us we can't help you.”

The exact same cops the very second one of their victims is arrested by another department for an unrelated crime: “DON'T TALK TO THEM, DON'T ANSWER ANY QUESTION, ASK FOR A LAWYER, REJECT ANY OF THEIR DEALS!”

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude, do not get me started on bullshit copaganda shows. I have rants.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"You're lucky the victim isn't pressing charges"

Yeah it's not up to them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Aw jeez, how many DA's does one city need??

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every day is Shut the Fuck Up Friday

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 25 word script:

  • Why did you pull me over?
  • I'm not discussing my day
  • Am I being detained or am I free to go?
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Don't forget:

  • I invoke the 5th.

(You only had 21 of the 25 words.)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I knew what it was without even clicking on it.

Shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Truly words to live by. :)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was just wondering about this presentation, specifically what he thinks about being able to record your interaction with a phone now (no he said she said). Still better to not say anything that can be used against you. Will watch again!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I am 100% for recording ALL of your interactions with the police. Up until recently (2020) in my state the police were abusing an anti-wiretapping law to prevent citizens from recording them, but since then:

This right was established in a case brought by ACLUM, Martin v. Rollins, 982 F.3d 813, 827 (1st Cir. 2020), which was consolidated with another case, Project Veritas Action Fund v. Rollins. There, the First Circuit said the Massachusetts Wiretap Statute’s criminalization of the secret recording of police officers in public spaces violated the First Amendment.

You're within your First Amendment rights to record police and your interactions, surreptitiously or not, at any time. State law cannot supersede the Constitution. You benefit because the police are often intentionally slow (see any number of articles posted here in this community) to release their own bodycam footage, and often go weeks if not months or years providing a false narrative to the public. Record it yourself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I choose to invoke my right to remain silent.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to look up the exact verbiage for your state, because with some you have to say it correctly or they can use it against you in court.

The best thing to say is, "I will not be answering any questions without an attorney present." This should shut down any questioning immediately.