A shame there is not a protocol to throw badly behaving allies out of the treaty.
this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2023
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NATO will not kick out Turkey. It is the controlling the Bosporus and is the gate from Europe to the Middle East.
It would be a huge blow to NATOs ability to project military power in the region.
Erdogan knows that and used this as leverage a lot over the past decade.
Given that anything went so far, including trading oil with Daesh and allowing supplies and fighters to pass through Turkey, i doubt anything but staunch words to come out now.
Also i am asking myself how much more soft power the US and Europe can afford to loose over Israel.
that is what Erdogan is counting on all the time.
Question is - how much does it take until NATO says "the liability to keep you in is far greater than the benefit you offer."
Personally, I'd say Turkey is very close to the point where the remaining NATO members say "better a horrible end than endless horror." And the day THAT happens, I don't want to be turkish citizen and witness what might happen to the already dwindling economy...
Or at least a method of suspension until they start behaving themeselves again
There is, but it defines "behaving badly" in the core terms of the agreement, which is aggression towards a member or refusal to act to help a member.
Yeah, "being a massive asshole" isn't enough. Even "only sending one guy with a pointy stick to help" isn't enough to kick someone out, since nations get to define their own level of help
Face-eating leopards damnit!
Didn't Turkey just backtrack on accepting Sweden into nato as well?
Wait, did they? Im not surprised if so, but that would be annoying as fuck
Apparently yes. From what I heard Erdoğan is saying that Sweden hasn't done enough in the fight against pkk.
At this point I'm ready to withdraw our application. If we have to compromise our core values to appease a semi-democratic two-bit dictator then I'm not so sure nato is a good fit for us.
Ever since they cut the power to Incirlik airbase they've been on the US' bad side.
Edit: the power to Incirlik airbase was temporarily cut in the immediate fallout of the failed coup attempt in Turkey. The base was surrounded by Turkish armed forces. If memory serves, this lasted quite a while.
That's where the US nukes were/are. Probably were.
thats okay they can keep shaking hands with erdogan
This hack works for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies which is a Zionist lobby group. Netanyahu doesnt need Turkey siding with the Palestinians (they've already recalled their ambassador) so we're seeing pro Israel "think tanks" making threats
Btw this is also the case for the USA.
Turkey will start coming under pressure from the United States over its stance on the Middle East crisis very soon
No it fucking won't. Turkeys job is to host the nukes aimed at its neighbor Iran and make any staging of warfare or "special operation" by a NATO army, US being far and away the main one, possible without breaking out into hostilities with the countries that are being waged war on. The US needs them to condemn the Palestinian genocide lest they fall out with all their southern neighbours. Erdogan has received even less tut-tuts than Netanyahu over his own forays into genocide that's no coincidence.
why this random dude even revelant of any news ?