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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don’t actually want the hostages released. As that would ruin the narrative

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

One source with knowledge of the talks, which slowed after the Israeli ground invasion, said a central point of discussion was a demand by the Israeli side for Hamas to provide a full list specifying the name and details of each person held in Gaza. The Israeli side was unwilling to cease bombardments without receiving this list.

Hamas responded that it was unable to provide the list without a pause in the fighting, as the estimated 240 hostages were held by a number of different groups in places across Gaza. That suggested even Hamas leaders do not know for sure how many people are held captive, their locations or the number who have survived the bombardments.

There's a lot of conflicting information from the sources in this story though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Israel kills em all in bombing campaigns then it can blame Hamas for killing them and go even more mask off in its eradication of the Palestinian people. Like where else would Hamas keep hostages other than the Hamas bases that Israel has been bombing non fuxking stop.

[–] xerazal 1 points 1 year ago

If an idf soldier stubbed their toe they'd blame it on Hamas and shoot out the kneecaps of a Palestinian child in retaliation

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

You'd think Israel would know who is missing...

But then again, they did fire tank shells at Israeli civilians, so maybe the bodies are so fucked up it's impossible to get a positive ID?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here I go killin’ again!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

An end to the fighting would mean an end to the Coalition government.

That would mean Netanyahu facing his corruption trials.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Benjamin Netanyahu rejected a deal for a five-day ceasefire with Palestinian militant groups in Gaza in return for the release of some of the hostages held in the territory early in the war, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

Negotiations resumed after the launch of the Israeli ground offensive on 27 October, but the same sources said Netanyahu had continued to take a tough line on proposals involving ceasefires of different durations in exchange for a varying number of hostages.

An estimated 240 people were taken hostage after fighters from Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other groups based in Gaza, as well as civilians, crossed the reinforced border fence separating the territory from Israeli towns and kibbutzim.

According to three sources familiar with the talks, the original deal on the table involved freeing children, women and elderly and sick people in exchange for a five-day ceasefire, but the Israeli government turned this down and demonstrated its rejection with the launch of the ground offensive.

On Thursday the US national security council spokesperson John Kirby said Israel had agreed to daily four-hour “humanitarian pauses”, with the aim that the small breaks in bombardments could aid the passage of hostages out of Gaza.

In mid-October, the former Mossad operative David Meidan, who negotiated the release of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit from Gaza over a decade ago, told Haaretz: “There’s no doubt that the first issue the state has to deal with is the matter of the captives … The window of opportunity for this is very narrow.


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