"Typed language? Yeah, I'm using a keyboard."
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I am currently teaching python and JavaScript devs Typescript. Everytime they hit a problem they switch to any
Sigh
Must be the same people who just comment out failing unit tests.
"Your crappy tests are failing again on my branch. I've commented them out until you fix them."
Sadly that sort of thing got so common where I work that I'll run the tests three times before considering looking into the error message to see if it is something I broke.
From time to time we take some days just to fix tests with inconsistent results, but there's always more popping up.
Yeah, we have a team whose job is to make sure all our tests run well and fixing them if they don't
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...or skip em
the beatings will continue until typing improves
Eslint is your friend :)
That's why I kinda don't like Python and JavaScript anymore. Every time I want types for a library it's gonna take me time to get it working. For every serious project I do, I use a strongly typed language.
Just create a al Inter rule that rejects Any types and a pre-commit hook that refuses the commit if the linter fails. Sometimes the brute force approach is the best way to teach
You told them not to?
I am happy there is no obvious "any" type in Rust.
There is, it's just not easy to use
Yeah, at some point my new team switched off null safety, because some consultants told them to.
Ride into the Danger Zone ...
Indeed, and just as my old team fell for consultants, my new team also went ahead and let them add some overcomplex garbage into their codebases. And crap still keeps piling up. It's just like it's impossible for them to understand that from an average consultants perspective the only way to go forward is to keep adding complexity, wether they are aware of it or not.
Oh, the consultants know, but they get paid, don't complain about "risks" and "code debt", and management only sees their delivery on time without increasing operation costs
This. However, in our specific scenario dynamics were even slightly worse. In a first meeting said consultants apparently met some resistance but management decided to go through with it anyway. So in a later meeting, if I was the consultant, would I go and claim "Alright, I fucked up, got paid and got you gaslighted, but now we have to refactor to clean up our codebase with no immediate tangible benefit for your bosses" in front of everyone? Honestly, I don't think so.
Does it compile???
... Compile???
i like when my strongly typed language can type itself, why should i have to type extra words because the compiler is stupid?
So that next time your coworker uses the wrong type, the compiler can scream at him: "NO I WONT COMPILE THIS YOU DUMBASS, LOOK JOHN SAID ON LINE 863 THAT IT SHOULD BE A DOUBLE, NOT A FLOAT FOR FUCK SAKE"
Tell me you are a Java dev without telling me you are a a Java dev 😂
As a JS dev, I can only wish we had those types 🥲
you can still have that without having to declare the type manually. check out Swift or OCaml for example
And if you have linter rules preventing any as a boundary type you just use Record<String, any>.
Well, you can always just add the type definitions later on.
I did port some C code to D, by just pasting it in a D file, then fixing the differences (changing type names, rewriting precompiler macros with D metaprogramming and inline functions, etc.).
I mean that is the first step. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ The next step is to start defining the types more strictly than any.
Hmmm a more reasonable first step would be to just not even type anything until you're ready. But TS makes it hard to iteratively type parts of your codebase over time. One could type using JSDoc syntax for these cases, though.
Yeah, true
typescript is not a strongly typed language