TBH I feel like any social media platform, regardless of voting displays, has the potential to become a toxic environment.
this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2023
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This. Look at facebook (although I know the "upvotes" aren't anonymous)
You can't hide from it on the Internet. I have seen forums where downvotes are visible to everybody and there still was lots of toxicity. One of such forums later moved to no-downvote model and guess what? Downvotes are no longer there but toxic people still are
On the Internet people don't know you, what you went through etc. They only see a string of characters as your nickname and it doesn't help much to make them more understanding
We've had a number of recent discussions around downvotes and toxicity. Removing this under rule #4.
As I understand it, Kbin doesnβt allow downvotes just like Mastodon.
Kbin does have downvotes like Lemmy.
Yeah, this seems like such an odd claim, because all one has to do is go to Kbin.social and the downvote buttons are right there.
This implies that upvotes can not also produce a toxic environment.
I'm pretty sure downvotes are also public on Kbin based on https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/455
Lemmy also stores the values of who upvoted/downvoted, but it's not exposed to the UI.
how to find out who upvoted/downvoted a comment
step 1 click more -> activity
step 2 reduces are downvotes, favorites are upvotes, and boosts are like "reshares" or "retweets" from what I understand
I actually really like that these are public. I like seeing who is downvoting me in a discussion. Sometimes you think you're having a nice cordial discussion but your partner is just mass downvoting everything you say lol.
I subscribe to the old redditiquete philosophy of "only downvote off-topic discussion"
even reddit removed that from their redditquete some years back, but I think that's the best way to foster healthy discussion in a way that doesn't end up as an echo chamber. because that is one of the main issues with a vote based system in my opinion
i never downvote people i disagree with as long as they are making a genuine attempt at discussion.
That's my issue with voting being public or having profile "karma" in general. You never know what is the motivation of another person for downvoting or upvoting you. Someone can be like you and only downvote off-topic or someone can downvote what they don't like or disagree with, etc. It's a guessing game.
Just having general score for posts and comments allows to see what is the majority position, but you actually have to read the comments to see different positions. It not only motivates discussion, but helps to reduce people stalking each downvote and going on retaliatory campaings to downtove everything the user ever posted.
Kbin does allow downvotes from what I can see and downvotes doesn't really bring it to a toxic environment as it's just a way to easily disagree with someone without having to go into depth in the comments. It's like YouTube videos, if you dislike it doesn't mean it's bad, it just means you personally don't like it.
itβs just a way to easily disagree with someone without having to go into depth in the comments.
This is literally not what downvotes were ever meant to be for.
Downvotes on a main post = This post doesn't fit this community.
Downvotes in comments = This post is off-topic, spreading misinformation or hate, and/or is actively hindering discussion (insults, assholery, etc).
I think it has the tendency to create a snowball effect. You see a comment with -50 points you are already subconsciously looking at it trying to analyze why everyone hates it. It essentially primes you into disagreeing with it. Sometimes it's obvious in the case of a troll or someone saying hate speech or something but other times it's someone sharing a genuine opinion that's relevant to the discussion but the snowball effect of the first few people downvoting it causes it to spiral downwards.
By itself it isn't a bad thing but when comments are ranked based on votes or downvoted comments past a certain threshold are hidden, it contributes to creating echo chambers.
Personally, I think it's like that Churchill quote. Democracy is trash and has a lot of problems. But still, it's the best thing we've come up with so far. It's got its issues but the transparent nature definitely helps if someone is consciously trying to read things with an open mind.