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NFL.Community - Not Seeing Posts - SOLVED (lemmy.world)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I am a big NFL fan, and I found the instance nfl.community. It has a community for each team, as well as a general NFL community. I joined a couple of the communities through my lemmy.world account, but it sees no posts there. I know this instance isn't defederated from nfl.community, so why wouldn't I be able to see any posts? I don't understand, what am I missing?

EDIT: I just reread my post and realized that I didn't mention that there are tons of post on all the communities on this instance, but nothing shows when logged in through World.

SOLVED: So I had the chance today to reread through this thread and do some digging based on the replies, and I've figured out the issue. I went back and looked at nfl.communities, and it turns out that [email protected] is correct - all the posts on that server are by users that are from the alien.top instance. Those aren't actual users, alien.top just scrapes posts & comments from Reddit. So those aren't actual posts by Lemmy users, and, as can said, there wouldn't be any engagement from anyone on that server, because they won't see my posts & comments. Lastly, I followed a link can posted with bot rules, and one of lemmy.world's policies is "Bots shall not just be posting Reddit content", which is exactly what alien.top is doing. That explains why World is blocking all the posts from the nfl.communites server.

Thanks to everyone who responded and helped sort this out!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you go to that website directly without logging in, do you see the posts? It is entirely possible that there are no posts there - sports communities aren’t getting a lot of non-bot traffic.

If there are posts, how old are they? If you are sorting by top, you won’t see any posts that were posted outside your selected time frame.

If neither of those are the issue, I’d blame Lemmy.world. They have cloudflare rules that block other instances without listing them as defederated. It is possible they’ve moved to a whitelist or some other trust based model that blocks new instances by default.

This is a side effect of them having been under a near constant DDOS and other cyberattacks, and so is definitely defensible, however it ultimately hurt the UX for me to the point that I just moved to a different instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I just went and checked without being logged in to lemmy.world, and the latest post from nfl.community/c/nfl is 5 minutes ago, the one under that is 37 minutes ago. This seems to be a pretty active server, which is one of the reasons why I want to subscribe to communities on it.

I'm assuming this is a lemmy.world issue, which is why I'm posting here. I'm hoping that it's just some mistake, and that there's something that can be done, because I don't want to move instances again. But it's that important to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did you just subscribe now? Are you the first from your instance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I just subscribed, and I've no idea if I'm the first from lemmy.world. But shouldn't I be able to see the posts if I subscribe to the instance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you're the first it may take time to federate over. Still having the same issue?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep, I subscribed yesterday, and it still shows "No posts".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you know if any new posts have been made since you subscribed?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, tons since I subscribed last night. And it currently still shows as none.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Odd. Can I have a link to one of the communities please?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

These are the two I’m subscribed to that show no posts when visited while logged into World, but in reality have lots of posts:

https://nfl.community/c/nfl https://nfl.community/c/falcons

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected], [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hm, I see posts and I don't think anyone on my instance subscribed. I'm using an app though. Are you possibly filtering bot accounts? It's an account setting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I have “Show bot accounts” selected.

I can see posts if I’m not logged in or logged in to any other instance. It’s just when I’m logged into my Lemmy.world account that the instances are empty. And it happens on the web and multiple apps, which makes me think it’s a World problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Could be a dot world issue then. I'm on sync and it's working from sh.itjust.works

It's in the instances list but it doesn't show that it's running lemmy. ~~Maybe ask support for lemmy.world?~~ never mind I see that's where we are now. Is there a Matrix chat you could ask in?

Edit: oh it's possible they have the alien.top bots blocked since they're mirroring redditors comments?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I can log in on my alt from lemm.ee and see all the posts fine, so it’s got to be a World issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Do any other communities with alien.top posts work from lemmy.world? One sec I'll find an example.

Edit: try [email protected]

See anything?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I see 1 post titled "Mini PC + DAS as NAS" from 6 days ago, and nothing else. Am I supposed to see more?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I picked it because it was the first I saw in my all feed and there's multiple posts every hour if I sort by new.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I just have the one. Does that give you a clue what might be causing the issue?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I suspect lemmy.world has blocked alien.top

Edit: yep, but keep in mind that's just bots mirroring reddit threads (though ones not marked as bots are reddit users that have "adopted" the account). So you're not missing much actual engagement on Lemmy. But for sports if you just wants the top highlights and links from reddit maybe consider another home instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, on the NFL & Falcons communities there seems to be a good bit of engagement with the posts, and I'd like to participate in that. I guess I'm going to have to move instances again. Not ideal, but I'm a huge NFL/Falcons fan, and I really want to interact with this instance. It's disappointing that it's blocked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I've had no complaints with my instance, and clearly it's all available here. There are tools for migrating subs and blocks at least.

But keep in mind a lot of that engagement might be from reddit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the offer, but I've got an alt on lemm.ee that I set up when I first moved to Lemmy, and World was getting slammed with DDOS attacks. All the posts show up when I'm logged in on that account, so I may just move back over there. I've got LASIM to sync my subscriptions, so there's that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

lemm.ee sounds good too. I've heard some people have had issues uploading images there but that might not be a problem for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I think the limit is 100K for images, which causes a problem sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for all the replies and the help. I updated the original post at the top with the solution to the problem. I now know why I can't see the nfl.community posts & comments, and I'm not really sure I want to any more, since it's not actual posts from Lemmy users, but just Reddit scrapes (like you said).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Happy I could help. Lemmy is better when it we help reach other.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

https://lemmy.world/c/nfl

This is the main NFL community if that is what you are looking for

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m also subscribed there, but I wanted to subscribe to the nfl.community one as well. Also, I’m a Falcons fan, and the most active Falcons community is on the nfl.community instance, and I can’t see any posts from there either.

I thought I was supposed to be able to see posts from every other instance unless we defederated from it? I used my alt account at lemm.ee, and the posts show up like they should, but not with my lemmy.world account, and I’m unclear as to why or how to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Can confirm [email protected] shows zero posts from here, but I see plenty here in an unauthenticated session in my browser.

Its not just you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for confirming, I hope there's something that can be done to correct this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]