They're basically the same right? : memes

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

Latin and Greek are nowhere even similar to each other. You might as well say that Latin and German are the same language. Greek and Latin are 2 different linguistic branches of indoeuropean languages. Latin is the precursor of romance languages like Italian, French and Spanish. Ancient Greek is the precursor of Greek. Other major European language branches are the Germanic(German, English, Swedish, etc) and slavic(Russian, Polish, Bulgarian, etc).

Cool single indoeuropean individual language branches also include Armenian, Celtic and Albanian.

Finnish and Hungarian arent indoeuropean languages.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Greek is nothing like Latin.

Greek is my first language and Ive (tried to) read Latin, unsuccessfully, meaning no words maake sense to me when I view them from the perspective of "this word could have this greek word as a root"

Edit: This should hopefully put a rest to this discussion

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Arent ancient and modern Greek pretty different though?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yes, but you can for the most part understand ancient greek if you know greek. Ancient greek and greek are similar enough for that. Greek and latin are not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah, after about 1000 years even the exact same language normally will change so much that it's not understandable to speakers on opposing sides of that divide. I can't read much German, but in reality German and English are very related and with some explanation one can see it pretty clearly. I agree with your sentiment I think, but "nothing like" is pretty absolute.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

No, they're completely different, have absolutely nothing in common. Though, yes, the Roman Empire did steal a lot of the culture from Greece.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

have absolutely nothing in common.

They are both Indo-European languages and it shows. The words for father and mother for example, are very similar in the two languages.

I will never understand why people always want to deny the interconnected nature of the universe and instead want everything to be unrelated and separate

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The word for father and mother (especially mother) are similar in many European languages, Slavic included, which doesn't mean the cultures share the same roots.

Though yes, I would agree that living on the same continent meant different cultures get to share a lot, inclding language, through trade or other means.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The point being made though was that the languages are well shown to be genuinely related through a common ancestral language from which they both deviated, just as have most languages in Europe and parts of the Near East. The connection is tangible and quite real, not something just based on some few similarities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

All I said is that they are related, because they very much are. Just read the Wikipedia page for either language if you're interested, you'll see that IE languages are all related.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Father and mother are probably the two worst examples. Mother is "mamá" in Spanish, and "mama" in Japanese, not because they're related, but because babies make that sound a lot.

That said, I agree with you completely. It's just that that specific example bugged me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Mama is different than mater and pater both being very similar in several IE languages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

"Mama" is not the common word you'd use in Japan, it's a loanword from watching English/European media. Normally they'd use "Haha". At least as my neighbor once explained to me.

In Chinese, though, we use "maa maa", which does sound more similar.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I used to type up long explanations but I don't do it anymore. Either the person is not going to be uninterested and/or unconvinced, or they'll read up more on it on their own

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Read my other comments for a more detailed explanation, but the tl;dr of the matter is that while they are both Indo-European languages, each is from a vastly different branch family of the Indo-European language family. The Hellenic and Romance branch families for Greek and Latin respectively.

Technically they are related, but technically if you go far back enough I am related to you too, however any sensible person would never make the claim that you and I are related simply because we share a common ancestor somewhere along our history.

Edit: my other comments also have sources, but I don't want to repeat myself once more, so I wont put them here as well. :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Technically they are related

"Technically".. I was simply trying to state that the absolutes being used here are wrong. They are. I am not interested at the moment in splitting hairs, that was never what I was trying to discuss. I happen to think it's interesting to see how things are related. I think I'd love studying linguistics if it weren't for your type being so prevalent. The type of person who will say "this has absolutely nothing to do with that" as if the only valuable perspective is to split and divide, and that taking a glimpse at the unknowable mysteries-- of exactly how historical changes played out-- is stupidity that should be stomped on.

It's 100% true that there is a relationship and telling people there isn't serves only to make you feel smart. I made no false assertions whatsoever so stop acting like I'm spreading dangerous lies.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't attacking you with my comment, but anyway. I do agree there is a relationship and they influenced each other a lot (mostly Greek influencing Latin, not so much in reverse). I was just trying to say that not even linguists claim they are related. I didn't once make the claim that they have nothing to do with each other either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the use of "related" in only one way is a pet peeve of mine. Relationships have many natures, and I think we all intuitively know that. I don't believe in arbitrarily enforcing one of those types as the only valid one. Notice I never said anything false. I just think it's fascinating to learn about those relationships and think about the things we can't know. It's not as though I imagined that they are super similar and then argued for that being fact ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I just think it’s fascinating to learn about those relationships and think about the things we can’t know

On that we agree :) If you like language/linguistic content in general, check out this guy. He makes content about old norse and such, its really interesting

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean they are fairly similar. They share a lot of vocabulary, their nouns have corresponding declensions, verb conjucations are similar, there are a lot of other similar grammar constructions, and the Latin alphabet is mostly derived from the Greek alphabet, too.

Edit: Classical Greek and Classical Latin, at least. Modern Greek and Romance languages like Italian are further diverged from those ancestor languages to the point that they are difficult for modern speakers to even parse.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Immediately after uploading I see the mistake. I'm not changing it. I'm just trying to get through the day.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

It's still all Greek to me

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Replace "language" with "mythology" and this works

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nobody appreciates the MS Paint in this meme:C

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Ars longa, Vista brevis.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

It's because of modern science-ish mixing them willynilly. They almost made a new artificial language at this point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

They absolutely are not the same

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are different, but they are definitely related despite several confidently incorrect commenters.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

No they are not. They are both Indo-European but each is from a completely different branch of the Indo-European languages. Latin stems from the Romance branch, while Greek from the Hellenic branch. Other than their common "ancestor" language group, the only other similarity I can think of/find right now is that Latin did borrow many Greek words due to the Roman's heavy influence from Hellenic culture. However, this doesn't mean that they are at all related.

Greek itself has myriads of Turkish words due to the Ottoman occupation of the Greek lands (Greece as a nation state did not exist yet at this point if I'm not mistaken) from 1453 until 1821(almost 400 years), however it would be ridiculous to make the claim that Greek and Turkish are related, given that Turkish is an Anatolian language which only shares commonality with Greek due to the fact that they are both Indo-European branch families. Hence, it is ridiculous to make the claim that Latin is related to Greek simply because they borrowed many words.

So, linguistically speaking both Greek and Latin are from majorly different language families, and we have discussed how you can't make the claim two languages are related simply because they borrow words from each other because of various political/historical reasons.

You are confidently incorrect.

https://glosaidiomas.com/greek-vs-latin-origins-and-differences/

https://autolingual.com/greek-vs-latin/

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you can't make the claim two languages are related simply because they borrow words from each other

I skimmed this and saw this line and it disqualified it from being worth reading. Define the word "related" as uselessly narrow all you want, idgaf

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You and I are not related because we share a common ancestor, and no sensible person would make that claim based on that reasoning. We do draw the line somewhere. If you want to define all languages as related because they all comprise of sound and noise that humans make feel free to.

Also, if you bothered reading not skimming then jumping to conclusions, you would see I linked a couple sources, so you don't actually have to hear it from my mouth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We literally are related. It's you that finds that irrelevant. A subjective opinion that I dislike. Move on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We literally are related

Cool, what time should I show up for Christmas dinner in December then? There'd better be lot's of food xD

If you don't find the fact that we are all technically related irrelevant, you should have no issue with my previous statement :)

Also, please don't tell me to move along like you're special, I'll move along whenever I feel like it. You don't like it then stop engaging

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

If you'd be a little less prickly with your absolutes I honestly might not have a problem with that. I don't like some of my family members, us being related doesn't mean I would or wouldn't want to spend time with them...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Angry romance noises intensify

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They are?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

In thoroughly confused. They're not even similar.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They are in fact, not, but I always confuse them

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Latin looks like weird french, Greek has triangles and math symbols and shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

And there I thought it was a smartass joke because you had switched "picture" for "language" only once and that it just meant the text of both lictures were written in the same language...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Eh it's all chinese to me.

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