Comradeship // Freechat

If your views are never challenged, you’ll never grow as a person.

On the topic of chinese foreign policy, isn’t that usually «Bully whomever mentions Taiwan until they leave»? Seems to me you only got a taste of the product you’re peddling.

I've taken a page from the right and consistently toe the line to see how much I can get away with. Before they know it I'm posting Houthi music and taking selfies in front of my bookcase with Quotations from Mao in full view.

No, I think the desire is understandable. Just look at how unproductive some of the comments here are to even engage with your question meaningfully. People willfully misconstrue and attack the person instead of the argument.

I don't think the problem goes away in an echo chamber, though they may be smaller. The goal posts people erect to show that they belong in the group are also aggravating. Trying to be the best buy bring most extreme, and so on. Groups drift over time.

All that said, you are not going to change anyone in an online discussion, that's functionally impossible. Discuss to learn.

If anything, it’s more worthwhile to engage with theory noobs vaguely sympathetic to communism than it is to waste time on confirmed anticommunists. Usually when the latter try to ‘debate’ with me, I reply with ‘Good point. You really showed me how wrong I was. I wish that I were as smart as you.’ which is my more polite alternative to saying ‘fuck off’. Any debate where somebody’s goal is ‘winning’ is not a debate worth having.

Now theory noobs, on the other hand, those people are worth engaging. Judging by their futile arguments with capitalist apologists, they’re already more‐or‐less sympathetic to communism, or at least ‘the idea of it’, so the door’s unlocked for you. The problem is that their politics are very undeveloped: they can’t explain why the people’s republics resorted to ‘authoritarian’ measures, or how they were better than the anticommunist régimes that preceded them, or even why they existed at all, so they resort to crude shortcuts like ‘well, those states weren’t socialist’ (which may indeed be true, but it’s a dull counterargument that gets us nowhere).

That’s where you can come in. Politely correcting them or expanding on their points is going to develop them more than any argument with a capitalist apologist ever could. More than likely, you’ll be introducing brand new information to these people, and that will hold their interest. I vaguely remember (possibly misinterpreted) a documentary that discussed Imperial Russia and hyperinflation. When I learned about the defects of Imperial Russia, the turn to Bolshevism was suddenly much easier to understand, even if I still didn’t quite agree with it.

Act natural. Don’t overwhelm them with too many resources (link spam) or paragraphs at once. If they ask why you approached them and not the anticommunists that they were trying to debate, you can reply with ‘Because I know that you’ll listen.’

Reddit, Twitter, Facebook ect are completely lost causes as far as I’m concerned. Those platforms are completely under the grip of US security, its only a matter of time before any communist discourse is banned from them completely.

In terms of arguing with liberals I feel like it’s important to pick and choose when. Any of my close friends or family for example I will aggressively combat any liberal nonsense coming out of their mouths because I care about these people on a personal level. Reactionaries in my community or even worse, reactionary strangers on the internet, are likely not worth my time because they won’t even try to listen or consider alternative perspectives.

Yes, but you should use bombs or something to express your opinions. The revolution will not happen peacefully.