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The Day Before locks down Discord, blames “overwhelming toxicity,” urges refunds (www.pcgamesn.com)

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

66% of people I watched didn’t have too many problems getting into and exploring the game. The other 33% had major problems loading the game and quit.

Highest rating I have seen so far was a 5.9/10.

I give it a 0/10. It’s a scam trying to get early access to pay for development. Fuck that. There are thousands of games that don’t do that because it is shady as fuck. Just be honest devs or get scorched.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

early access to pay for development

Against Steam TOS

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is it? I honestly though that was part of the reason projects go EA.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’d have to read through but the very top of the early access page says not to use it to fund development

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So people get toxic when you advertise misleadingly? Who'da thunk it.

People do turn into nutjobs about games, but also, with only their word for the toxicity and no word at all about what they mean by it, it's hard to have an opinion.

Also, a related "article" has this gem:

... doesn’t appear to be an MMO after all but an extraction shooter. This goes against what previous teasers shown by developer Fntastic alluded to and clearly describes on the game’s Steam store page and official website.

Is this terribly broken English or am I just having a minor stroke?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I see that they used the wrong tense for "described", but that could be a typo. Other than that it seems grammatical to me. I guess "alluded to" and "described" are redundant, but that's more a stylistic defect than an actual error imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Is it the wrong tense? Did they change it just before release, or does it still claim to be an MMO?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

So people get toxic when you advertise misleadingly?

The whole online culture around gaming has been so thoroughly infiltrated by reactionaries, incels, and plain old misanthropes any developer can expect to be abused online by toxic gamers. Whether or not the grievances are genuine is beside the point.

I'm not criticizing you or defending this game, I'm just saying how fucked it is that gamers being abusive is normalized and expected.

2013: gamer /gā′mər/ n. one who plays roleplyaing or video games.

2023: gamer /gā′mər/ n. asshole spewing hate on the internet.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

However, the linchpin that really riled up gamers was when they realized The Day Before wasn’t actually an MMO but an extraction shooter zombie game, despite what previous advertisements would have you believe.

Is an extraction shooter not a kind of MMO? Is it because, although there are many players, there are only a limited number of players per map?

If that's the case, then there are a bunch of games I think of as MMOs that aren't, like Phantasy Star Online and Path of Exile.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

An MMO is a very specific thing. Idk why that would be conflated with an extraction shooter?

Edit:Phantasy Star and POE are not MMOs either.

WoW, FFXIV, ESO, are examples of MMOs.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well it's M for 'massively', right? I am not aware of any extraction shooter that could really be considered massively multiplayer.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

As an old school gamer, anything over 8 players is massive

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

MMO kind of implies that you’re online with everyone at once, at least in the overworld

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

By that definition an MMO has never existed as all of them are divided by servers.

But!

Let's say an MMO becomes unpopular and there's only one server left and at most 70 concurrent players, is the game not an MMO anymore because some games with 100 players on the same server aren't considered MMOs?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

By that definition an MMO has never existed as all of them are divided by servers.

I'm pretty sure EVE is a single server.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

While the servers are indeed likely to be joined, I highly doubt there isn’t an instancing system in case every eve player decides to travel to the exact same coordinates at the same time.

Otherwise a large enough corp could essentially “chunk ban” an area.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

There's a separate server for China!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

poeple are bored shitless with fps style multiplayer games, and after that, bored shitless of crappy lead tier mmos likes WoW, NW, GW2 etc whose endgame is really shit. Compared to Champions of Regnum or DAOC, all the lead tiers are boring as hell. Zero endgame creativity -- the only thing that makes mmos worthwhile is solid endgame RvR open pvp. If ur mmo doe not have it, then you will perish like The Day Before.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

The number of players that determine if it's "massive" will be subjective, but there's more to the definition than just that. A CoD game isn't an MMO just because it has a 16vs16 lobby for example. Gameplay design is still always going to be a big factor into the genre definitions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely there with you. I have it on my list to try some of those '99' games on Switch. Must just be a hilarious nutty experience.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Those aren’t MMOs tho

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

No, you are correct, but I was responding to the comment about games with more than eight players...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Correct, they're not. PSO appears to be 4 players. PoE appears to be 6. You could call them "MORPGs", but that term has never really been common. They are certainly not massively anything, and I've never seen them described as MMOs at all.

The "traditional" definition involves tons of players (whatever that means for the time period, platform etc) active in the same world/server/instance. Even games with a zillion concurrent players would not fit, as long as those players were "isolated" to smaller servers.