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i've seen this phrase used around here in a few variations and it rarely gets called out as problematic. i really don't think its ok so i thought i'd ask: does hexbear think its ok? i can understand and support the use of violence against fascists and colonizers, but genocide is really their thing. i don't see why it makes sense to use it even as a rhetorical device. why doesn't this get called out? is genocide so normalized in casual conversation that it doesn't register or what?

edit: ~~i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don't like it or get it, but i've had my fill of arguing with y'all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i'll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.~~

now that everyone has had a chance to chime in, i'm just going to add some context for y'all

  1. ~~most of the responses i got at first were from [he/him]s which is why i said the above. nothing against any gender, just what i saw.~~ it wasn't my intention to misgender anyone sorry if it came across that way. i really meant it as an observation of who was jumping in to reply at the start of the thread, but i didn't realize how it could be perceived in other contexts.
  2. i'm not american. i'm technically a US citizen, but i have much more significant cultural ties to SV, MX, and separately and to a lesser extent NA indigenous community. i don't always get where western people are coming from. i like the overall tone of hexbear maybe i just don't how imaginary genocide is supposed to be cathartic. i apologize if it came across like i'm trying to tone police y'all. that's really not my jam, but y'all do seem a little pre-disposed to getting offended when your little jokes are questioned.
  3. i still don't like the joke, so i'm going to remove them from my feed. if y'all don't have an issue with it that's fine. i was just trying to get a feel for what y'all think. the push back was a little upsetting after the day i had yesterday, but i'm over it now. i can live with curating my own experience based on my personal taste.
  4. i haven't been that articulate, but i think my feelings are best summarized by this reply:

As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nobody I know IRL talks the way people on hexbear talk and most people IRL here have at least 1 relative kidnappedand tortured by an US backed dictatorship. To me its just edgy shitposting.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No.

It stinks of edgelord shit.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In meatworld, no.

In fakeworld, yes.

Genocide doesn't just mean, "kill all of people from group X"... it can also mean to remove chunks of a group's culture. So yeah, remove racism and sexism and patriarchy and a huge chunk of the "global north" loses its culture... which ain't a bad thing.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Yeah as someone who found it funny and has read through this thread, I agree here actually.

Genocide is different from taking your yacht apart to build a school.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

it's not very funny but it does express a cathartic sentiment of hatred that few other phrases do. The hyperbole of it juxtaposed against certain minor infractions such as Wendy's having a twitter account sometimes makes me laugh.

Tbh, it's overused and low effort, and feels the same as when people here say 'another krakkker down', when they are a krakkker themselves. Pretty dweeby.

As far as offense caused by it goes, I don't really care. My people have been genocided before. By surname and blood I would be subjected to genocide again if anti-semitic Nazis had their way.

To call for a genocide upon the global northern states is practically akin to when pigs fly.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (14 children)

I've never liked it, even as a meme. Remember, the First World is also a panopticon prison for the poor and minorities.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

¡Not all Global Norteños!

To me it’s about the Global North States, not the people, and especially not the proletariat. Maybe the capitalists get a little genocide, as a treat.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

killing the capitalists (the ruling class) doesn't meet the criteria for genocide, that would be a coup. which is totally fine and doesn't require regurgitating fascist concepts. these toys are still available to do to quench your bloodlust gui-better gulag

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

Sometimes, in the course of trying to change people's minds in the imperial core, when the boulder has rolled all the way to bottom of the fucking hill AGAIN, you have to shoot fireballs at it for a bit until you calm down sisyphus qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

Unlimited genocide on this post!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

As a joke between us fellow travelers I think it's fine, I wouldn't ever say it in a more serious context though

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

what-time-is-it

The idea that "genocide shouldn't be called for" is pretty agreeable I think, but wooooow this thread went places. Another day I'm glad not to be "[he/him]s"...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

another he/him down, unlimited reeducation on the manosphere

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

no no you don't understand, when we say "genocide" we are using the the Official US State Department Modern 21st Century Definition, so we want to do something similar to what the PRC does in Xinjiang. If we wanted to cause mass death we would call for unlimited counterterrorist operations on the first world

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I will stop saying it like this, but I will continue wishing violence on those who want to see me and more oppressed people dead/under their heel

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

another kkkracker down

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I completely agree with being uncomfortable seeing genocide in the context of even dark humor- the original took-restraint meme was funny (to me) because it was pointing out the similarities in demeanor between someone who would say that, and a 4chan basement dweller being congratulated with tendies for behaving 'normal' in public.

Yes in-jokes can be funny but remove context things can quickly become hard to defend- and if an in joke is something which needs that level of consideration maybe that's an indicator it shouldn't be a 'joke.'

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

DEATH TO AMERIKKKA. DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don't like it or get it, but i've had my fill of arguing with y'all so thanks for the info.

New site tagline plz @[email protected]

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