askchapo

There's no right-wing politics in germany. That is to say, of course there is - lots of it - but nobody would ever proudly proclaim it like elsewhere, because it carries the immediate association with being a nazi, which is widely disregarded. And THAT is to say, it is widely disregarded to be considered a nazi, not so much doing nazi stuff.

This seems to shift the overton window into the fucking 4th dimension as nobody can admit to being a right-winger anymore.

EDIT: The conclusion to the entire idea of being maybe sort of close to the nazis, ideologically, is that most people can have horrible shitty political opinions but convince themselves that's actually progressive, and you get this crap

Offloading guilt + "to catch a murderer you need to hire a murderer" logic. Really fucked up.

Because they're crackers.

ake nuance-cookery, bootlicking, both-sideism, and "akshually" 101 philosophy wannabe-majors and you got a complacent and unaware populace. In germanys underfunded and class-segregated education system historic revisionism and pop-lib history is widespread. Its countryside is controlled by American-founded CDU country lords. German society is also still conservative and regressive. The lower class of german society is very effectively sidelined, I know it from my father, who doesn't speak up or criticizes his bosses because of a sense of "Oh they are more qualified than me". Its a very weird hierarchal structure.

To alleviate some people's fears here, the hardcore pro-zionism is widespread amongst the higher chambers of german society, especially the "highly educated" section. I come from working-class surroundings and most of the people there are not that extreme, they also are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. But just like with most countries, its the voice of the upper-class English-speaking "techie" population that gets amplified

vee hev tou protekt te joos in Israel vrom te eevil muslims!

Edit: But seriously, Germans are entirely obsessed with the idea of Israel absolving them of criticism. Germans in Europe are seen as brash, obnoxious know-it-alls who think everything in Germany is better. Superficially they are an extremely obnoxious people who should (and need) to tamper down their voice and brashness. Under the hood however they are extremely insecure and have the need to compensate the failures of modern Germany and their ancestors with moral bombasticism. Israel is a perfect surface to project their supposed moral superiority. After all, aren't they nobely supporting the Jewish cause by their uncritical support of Israel? How could Germany be antisemitic if they are taking the morally superior stance of protecting jews from scum Muslims?

Pretty sure it's the same mentality as you see other places.

"I was a Nazi, so I get to tell you what is a Nazi, why they became a Nazi, why..." whatever else. Like when right wingers "become reformed" (they just mean they watch different YouTube videos but with the same overall themes) so they get to police "the left" on what is beneficial towards our goals and such. And their discord logs always leak and it's always full of the most colorful and unsurprising racist and homophobic slurs you can think of. But they know better and we should listen to them because they've "been there" or whatever.

If you came from such a background and just suddenly became aware that racism is bad I do not value your criticism of "from the river to the sea" chants or the name "black lives matter" for a movement. I don't care, the people who are oppressed and suffering don't care, the only ones who care are the liberals, which these "reformed right wingers" always still are. If they were actually radicalized to the left they'd not be saying the above dipshittery.

There's probably some fancy psychological term for people who realize they were wrong to some degree, change their opinions, but still remain overly critical of the opinion they claim to have changed to.

I have to imagine there's a lot of that going on with Germans broadly. "I truly understand this because my grandfather did it." As if an outsider can't... read? There's a lot of weird shit tied up in it and on the subject of Israel Germany is so incredibly wrong that it's almost shocking. All I can think is "you motherfuckers learned NOTHING!" There takeaway doesn't seem to be "genocide is bad" but rather "genocide is bad... depending on who is doing it."

There's probably some guilt element tied up in it and some level of "fear" that as a German they can NEVER speak out against Israel because people will immediately go "German accent? Nazi." which might have some truth to it, but they aren't beating the stereotype by openly supporting another genocide now.

Firsthand experience of course!