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The incident happened when the engineer was programming the software that controls the robots, which cut car parts from aluminium, The Information reported.
Two of the robots were disabled, but a third was inadvertently left on. As it went through its normal motions, it caught the worker in its claws.
Yikes, that should be checked multiple times before someone gets close to the clawed aluminum cutting robot. Failure of process, I suspect.
Lock out procedure wasn't followed properly. You're supposed to check that equipment is in a safe state before you go into a dangerous area like that.
Yes but if for example management is pressuring employees to make repairs in X amount of time that causes them to have to rush, its the company's fault. Similar to Norfolk Southern giving train engineers 45 seconds per train car to do safety inspections.
This is absolute nonsense. Every worker is and should be pressured and monitored to ensure they're working efficiently. That doesn't give them carte blanche to disregard safety protocols.
Every worker is and should be pressured and monitored to ensure they’re working efficiently. That doesn’t give them carte blanche to disregard safety protocols.
the latter will necessarily follow from the former in almost every situation, because "inefficient workers" often get fired or are led to believe they will be fired and they have to make up the difference in that perception somewhere. this is still the company's fault
the latter will necessarily follow from the former in almost every situation
no, it will not and does not.
"over-stressing workers and pressing them to be as efficient as possible, causing them to cut corners with safety" is such a universal point of failure that it's frequent in every modern industry and a contributing factor in a huge number of workplace incidents and industrial disasters. respectfully, you would have to actively ignore reality to hold the position you currently do, and if you think that's the worker's fault and not the company incentivizing them to do unsafe things to keep their jobs, i can really only describe you as a corporate apologist or bootlicker
Keyword in your statement is "over".
the company incentivizing them to do unsafe things
I presume you have evidence that you'd like to present to back up the idea that this is indeed what's happening? Or are we just assuming that's what happened?
Trust me, they don't want you to get hurt. It costs them a whole lot more than any perceived increase in productivity when you get hurt. I've worked at corps that were on my back all day long about safety, to an annoying degree, and it wasn't out of genuine concern, I promise.
i can really only describe you as a corporate apologist or bootlicker
Well that's incredibly rude and unnecessary. Is this how you treat everyone you have disagreements with?
FWIW I've been a mechanical engineer for decades and they are right about this. Trust me instead. They're probably reacting with hostility because you're way out of line here; what you're arguing is anti-labor.
There is a profitable balance between productivity and safety, and they'll say one thing while firing people who are too unproductive.
I've been a mechanical engineer for decades and they are right about this.
What does you being a mechanical engineer have to do with anything? Are you a mechanical engineer at Tesla? Do you have evidence you'd like to provide to back up your claims?
what you're arguing is anti-labor
What I'm arguing is pro-sense. Being objective and not making assumptions does not make me anti-labor. Jumping into the deep end and just piling on anyone accused of abuse with zero justification is a bad look and you're shooting yourself if the foot when you do it.
There is a profitable balance between productivity and safety
Of course there is. So why are we just instantly assuming that they're not walking it? That every accident is the result of management pressure and not employee negligence of safety protocols?
Could very well be either/or but you and this other clown are the only ones making definitive statements without any evidence.
Oh so your experience matters, but mine doesn't? I've presented the same quality of evidence that you have. There isn't a worse "look" than tirelessly arguing that labor is at fault for what we're de facto forced to do.
Oh so your experience matters
...what experience? Where did you see me present an anecdote about my personal experience? Why don't you answer the question I asked instead of deflecting?
I've presented the same quality of evidence that you have
You've provided zero evidence. Literally nothing accepting appealing to your profession, except not stating anything about how that qualified you to speak on the topic.
I don't need evidence, because as I just said in the comment you've just replied to, I haven't made any claims.
There isn't a worse "look" than tirelessly arguing that labor is at fault
...what? I think you replied to the wrong person.
for what we're de facto forced to do.
Huh? No one is forcing you to labor, that's called slavery, and it's very illegal. You have to contribute something to society before you take from it but I'm not really sure what that has to do with any of this.
Yes but sometimes an employer's idea of efficiency and the real world do not line up. They won't tell employees to disregard safety protocols or urinate in bottles explicitly. It becomes the only way for the employee to meet their quota and keep their job.
Almost one in 21 workers at Tesla's Giga Texas factory was injured on the job in 2022, according to The Information, compared to the industry average of one in 30.
It’s almost like they have some systemic issue with safety and procedures or something…
Average is one in 30? Wild. The P&G plant near my house was at a few hundred days with no incidents recently. For Tesla to be doing even worse than 1/30 tho? Yikes
The Tesla factory in Germany has roughly 3 times as many reportable incidents as comparable factories.
It could also be that they are better about reporting incidents than other employers. I'm also curious what they mean by "the industry" if they mean automotive manufacturers or manufacturing in general. I work at a plant that makes parts for heavy equipment, which is similar to automotive, but obviously not automotive. We've had 2 recordable incidents this year. One of which was due to someone not wearing their issued cut resistant gloves while handling metal scraps and then needing stitches. There wasn't any reason for them not to wear their gloves except for laziness or complacency.
Over here in Aus we like to have a “as few maiming’s as possible” policy. You say laziness and complacency, I call it a national disregard for worker safety, an underfunded & toothless OSHA and union-busting, all caused by unchecked capitalistic greed.
But let’s get back to this particular incident. For a start, here’s an article from 2021 about a system to allow robotic arms (and others) to sense human presence and not cause injury to them. So what, Mr. Elon “Autopilot” Musk couldn’t have designed a similar system for his factory? Hah, no, he just doesn’t give a fuck. This article goes into it in more depth. The Fremont Tesla factory had an even higher 1 in 12 injury rate last year. Also, yeah nah, they failed to disclose dozens of injuries. And these two rates don’t account for them. Still don’t believe me? Here’s a paper comparing Tesla to the automotive industry average. It cites it’s source as the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
But you should absolutely congratulate your colleagues. Assuming there’s more than 41 of them, you did better than Tesla! 👏
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Occupational hazard. Doesn't mean said engineer isn't owed compensation though. On the contrary.
Considering the subject matter, perhaps the auto-TLDR bot has a conflict of interest!
Is this the same Tesla plant that has no caution stripes because Elon hates yellow and black? Or the one that violated EPA regulations? Not surprised in the slightest
Fun fact, back in 2018, Tesla factories have less safety signs and signals because Elon Musk hates yellow (so no safety tape telling people where not to stand) and cannot stand the beeping noise forklifts make when they reverse.
Source: https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/
Absolutely baffled how more people aren't killed at Tesla factories, tbh.
This is kind of tangential, but white noise backup alarms are neat.
SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ELON MUSK. END STATEMENT.
I'm an engineer who works in an industrial environment, and I regularly have to repair or reprogram hazardous equipment. Here are a few takeaways I got from the descriptions of the Tesla incident:
In addition, while some companies try to blame workwrs for recordable incidents, safety is always ultimately management's responsibility. Safety controls or procedures missing? That's management's fault. Workers disabling safety controls out of malice or hubris? Managment is at fault for hiring them. Workers so overworked and tired they don't notice mistakes while operating lethal equipment? Management. Workers having to choose between having a job and doing it safely? Management. Lack of safety culture? Management.
With power comes responsibility, and in modern corporations, management has all the power.
I worked IT for a machine shop a while back and one of the giant machines had a sign posted next to it :
"This machine has no brains, so use yours"
This is what happens when you promote a robot to manager.
Why are we building robots with claws?? That seems like a bad idea.
Was that Bender or Star Wars?
Part of the Star Wars Trek, not the Star Trek Wars.
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The robot "pushed its claws" into the man's body and drew blood from his back and arm, two witnesses told US technology website The Information.
After another worker hit the emergency stop button, the engineer managed to escape the robot's grasp and fell down a chute designed to collect scrap metal, "leaving a trail of blood behind him", one of the witnesses said.
The incident happened when the engineer was programming the software that controls the robots, which cut car parts from aluminium, The Information reported.
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Two of the robots were disabled, but a third was inadvertently left on.
I dunno what people expect Tesla to do about people that fail to follow safety protocols.
Pay them to care more?
...about their personal bodily injury? You have to pay people for that?