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Kbin.social has disabled federation temporarily. (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hello, you might have noticed (or not) that posts from kbin, more specifically kbin.social aren't showing anywhere, this is due the DDoS protection they currently have on. So even if you are subscribed to kbin.social communities you won't see any posts from the outside.

Same is happening inside kbin.social where users there cannot see posts from the outside. This is however temporary and the admin is working on getting federation back online.

~~The site is currently reporting 125k registered users~~

Edit: After a quick chat with the dev group it seems this number is just the total users discovered by this instance. The real amount of users is 22k as seen on https://kbin.social/nodeinfo/2.0

Edit: kbin.social is currently upgrading servers to handle the requests.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

I’m so impressed with how devs and community members across federated content spaces are handling the technological and communications challenges that are arising as many of us are flocking and trying to talk with each other and grow new communities.

This has got to be a really fun but tough time for those behind the scenes—thank you, all of you!!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I find it hard to believe there are 125,000 users on kbin...are we sure it isn't reporting stats from all the servers it's federated with (and therefore including Lemmy)?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The stats page lists users it knows about, including Federated.

Local counts can be seen at: https://kbin.social/nodeinfo/2.0

FediDB uses the nodeinfo for its stats gathering, but has a delay.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So that's more like 23k now. Still impressive.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I too am curious how this number is generated. For an instance of 125k users, the interactions seem quite low. "Top" items are at the top of the list with 500-1000 upvotes... and only ~100 comments.

I would kind of expect a bit more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 9 90 rule applies quite well, only a limited number of users ever interact with anything at all, and no one interacts with everything.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay... Let's take that 1 9 90 rule... 1% creators 9% interactors and 90% lurkers. So at 800 upvotes which is the upper end of the "Top" threads... we're expecting 8000 users. Not 125k.

It still doesn't line up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, I made a mistake, the real amount is 23k, you can see the edit in the post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

you can see the edit in the post.

Well... I can't yet, since the edit hasn't federated it's way out to my instance yet... But I see it on the origin instance, so fair enough. 23k is much more believable and reasonable though. 125k just didn't sit right in my head for what I was seeing on the instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is just reporting users on that instance, you can see fedia's (another kbin instance) here http://fedia.io/stats.

Edit: After a quick chat with the dev group it seems you are correct, it's just reporting the total users discovered

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is reporting users it knows about, which includes federated servers. The local stats can be seen at https://fedia.io/nodeinfo/2.0, under users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

2123 total users

copied from that link for the lazy


{
	"version": "2.0",
	"software": {
		"name": "kbin",
		"version": "0.10.1"
	},
	"protocols": ["activitypub"],
	"usage": {
		"users": {
			"total": 2123,
			"activeHalfyear": 2123,
			"activeMonth": 2123
		},
		"localPosts": 179,
		"localComments": 854
	},
	"openRegistrations": true
}

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You are correct, already edited the info, thank you for pointing it out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's honestly amazing how much interest Kbin has gotten despite constant server issues and no federation. I expected it to be a little less active but when I visited there was a bustling community there! I hope they open federation soon so I can spend more time there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The no federation is recent (and due to the antiDDoS measures as mentioned in the post). I've engaged with some communities on their and talk with some people from it. I personally haven't checked it out, but a lot of what I've heard is that it's an easier onboarding experience.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Joining is immediate, where some Lemmy instances require manual approval even now.

The main page comes off as more approachable and familiar. They also have a ton of local communities (or "Magazines") so people can do a lot even without the Federation. I find the Microblog stuff somewhat confusing, I think because it doesn't have much of a UI built around it so it is less familiar than Mastodon. It is fairly centralized though, in the sense that there aren't that many kbin instances out there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

there aren't that many kbin instances out there

This is also due to its age, its only 2 years old and only just recently gained more than 1 contributor to its codebase. When the reddit migration started about 2 weeks ago, kbin considered itself still in alpha; with lemmy in beta. As the software matures, more instances will pop-up as admins gain confidence in it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think that kbin is very promising, but I feel like it is early days yet. Even if they don't end up being the dominant platform, I feel like some of the features they are working on will persist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, so are kbin and lemmy federated normally?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yes they are, kbin federates with Lemmy and mastodon

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My understanding believe kbin federates with three rest of the fediverse, (activity pub?) including Lemmy and mastodon, but not necessarily the other way around for their users.

From here, you should be able to see and comment to users on Lemmy insurance, as long as they are not blocking federation with your kbin instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's in insane amount of users and so glad they've picked an instance that will eventually refederate

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

We’re happy to launch our KBIN server https://readit.buzz and look forward to federating!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

understandable, didn't they get hugged to death today or something?