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ChatGPT could soon replace Google Assistant on your Android phone (www.androidauthority.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Care to elaborate why not? Interested in your viewpoint

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

ChatGPT consistently makes up shit. It's difficult to tell when something is made up because it's a language model so it is supposed to sound confident as if it's any person telling a fact that they know.

It knows how to talk like a subject matter expert because that's usually what gets publicized most and thus that's what it's trained on, but it doesn't always know the facts necessary to answer questions. It makes shit up to fill the gap and then presents it intelligently, but it's wrong.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Most of the time I use assistant to either perform home automation tasks, or look stuff up online. The first one already works fine, and for the second one I won't trust a glorified autocomplete.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Good point, hallucinations only add to the fake news problem and artificial content problem.

I’ll counter with this: how do you know the stuff you look up online is legit? Should we go back to encyclopedias? Who writes those?

Edit: in case anyone isn’t aware, GPT “hallucinates” made up information in specific cases when temperature and top_p settings aren’t optimized, wasn’t saying anyone’s opinion was a hallucination of course

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some generative chatbots will say something then link to where the info is from. That's good because I can followup

Some will just say something. That's bad and I'll have to search myself afterwards.

It's the equivalent of a book with no cover or a webpage where I can't see what website it's on. Maybe it's reputable, maybe it's not. Without a source I can't really decide

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Ya, it’s utterly baffling to me that anyone would use a tool that predicts the next word in a sentence to try and learn something. Besides, what’s the endgame when no reporter could make a living because all their words are laundered and fed into a most people are saying bot? At that point new and unknown news, information, and facts will just be filtered out unless a lot of clickbait sites steal them because they the words don’t show up in the average conversation frequently enough.

Amusing, much like the Cryptocurrency and NFT industry where everyone from the CEO of Openai to the majority of the influencers came from, the extent that the system remind useable at all is reliant on the technology being niche. If it ever actually did become the primary method the tech would fundamentally collapse under its own weight.

[+] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yep you got me!

Was leading onto this side of the debate, but basically our collective knowledge, hell our collective experiences are not objective. Our assumptions, mistakes, wordings which result in different interpreted meanings, etc all contribute to some level of disinformation.

Now let’s not be as nit picky and accept that some detail fudging isn’t the end of the world and happens frequently. We can cross reference each others’ accounts but even that only works to an extent.

Whole cultures might bare witness to an event and perceive it to be about x y or z, whereas the next door neighbor might see it completely different.

AI to me really isn’t that far off from the winners being the ones to write the history books, or that strange or unexpected events naturally cause human brains to recollect them in incorrect detail and accuracy.

[+] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not quite what I meant, I was merely pointing out that we should be cognizant and of how our world view and others views might shape and define what’s considered history or fact.

All in all, central points of authority are inherently vulnerable to misinformation. I personally think communal (and biological namely) sources of information shared and verified by each other is far more valuable.

Why settle to see the rainbow for your own favorite color when there’s such an amazing and valuable spectrum available. So very digital of us

[+] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I’m admittedly a little confused on how you might still think this. Could you explain your train of thought for how I think that (what’s the bridge between the two quotes you’re using?)

To be clear, objective fact is obtainable by reproducibility (scientific process namely) but that doesn’t really work as well for “objective fact” regarding previous events when you expand them past “this event happened” (I.e. this happened because xyz)

I think a lot of people blur the line between the event itself and the rationale/explanation behind it. That’s really the crux of the problem as I see it and am trying to bring awareness to.

[+] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well no, I can’t. That’s because that snippet was in reference to non-reproducible things, like history really. Science is Queen of objectivity in that you can take the exact same steps and physics ensures that things happen again in the same way

With history, it’s about interactions between complex, ever-changing human psychologies. It’s about decisions made that might not necessarily be restricted to laws like physics, but maybe what you had for breakfast that day, or what your first interaction with another human was like.

Now technically, maybe one day in the future we could use physics and insane measurements of humans to predict behavior and what not like we can with say a chemical reaction, but that’s pretty far out and I’m not sure we’d want to do that (despot being driven to do it anyway because someone else will and they’ll use it for harm)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Cause Chatgpt isn't reliable on actual information and i don't want to have any "assistant" at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Fair enough!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Collects your data, profiles you based on your typing style, what you type etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Regular assistants, websites, stores etc all do this exact same thing already for what it’s worth.

People do too!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

people/regular aassistants don't sell my data to do highest bidder

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

By regular assistant I meant google, Samsung, etc not like a person.

People just give it away for free to each other.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

you intentionally refuse to understand what I am saying, yes I don't use google, samsung or any other assistants either. People talking about me is not a problem corporations and governments spying on me is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I’m sorry excuse me? I’m not intentionally doing anything. Maybe instead of attributing malice, you might opt for ignorance next time. I can only understand what I understand and you can only communicate as effectively as you can. There’s plenty of room for leeway and benefit of doubt here, unless you’d like another hive mind Reddit clone.

Realigning with the conversation, I can understand not wanting powerful parties knowing all about you. They’re much more severe (generally) than people can be. But for some, people can be just as damaging if they have it out for you for whatever reason (gender, sexual orientation, race, success, pissed them off and they’re psychotic, etc)

My outlook on privacy isn’t to obscure or hide information but to inflate it with noise instead. Finding a back alley doorway to a building is much easier than finding the right hotel room in a complex of hotels.

Obviously not everyone subscribes to this tactic but I wanted to share my outlook as well. I was just sharing what I know and have with you. Wasn’t meant to be a heated debate.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Man this type of shit is why I'm getting rid of google Assistant and going to a FOSS home assistant setup. I don't want chat gpt. I want to add things to my calendar, my shopping list, turn off lights and open/close blinds. I want to mute speakers at a certain time with a routine that isn't broken every five minutes. I want timers that work reliably. I want to be able to make an announcement when Amazon is at the door. Why are they making this so difficult?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are there any HA smart speakers ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

A couple dev boxes:

$13 ATOM Echo
$50 S3 Box with a display
Someone made a Nest Mini Gen 2 replacement PCB but you have to have it printed yourself.
Anything you want to build with ESP32 based hardware

Nothing commercial available is very good, but hopefully that will change soon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Must be difficult because thus far no one has been able to do any of those things with any degree of reliability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Details!

How do you disable assistant and what do you use instead. How good is it? Does it work on pixels?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/0b789715-c7c7-425c-bb2d-c51d14c26de0.png

Yes, this works on Pixels. Home Assistant is a mature open source home automation platform.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What about.. Neither?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is literally an option you can select...

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

which, I did

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

How can it replace Google assistant if there is no Google assistant on my phone. (I removed it)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I'll be able to. But I most certainly won't do it. No thanks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I just want to be able to consistently make searches using what's on my phone screen. Is that too much to ask? The screen search button disappears every other month and I'm sick of it. I don't invoke the Assistant for any other reason.

Update: it's back again after another month long hiatus! Who knows when it'll be taken from me next!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Digital assistants are good for timers, turning on smart lights, and sometimes playing music. None of those things require a large language model to spit random text back at me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Can't see it being that useful if it remains restricted to info 2+ years old.

You wouldn't be able to ask it the weather or anything of the sort.