they are terrified of the fediverse. it offers everything they do, but with none of the bullshit.. all we need is momentum.
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I'm pretty happy with fediverse as it is. If we had the size they do id be yelling into the wind again like in my last years there. I don't want this place to be anything like what reddit became. Now that i know what it can be like i don't want to go back, not even to reddit circa 2010 when i found it
I want the niche subs to migrate. And for that, the Fediverse needs to be the default, which requires numbers.
Yeah it's a damn tricky balance. In order for there to be enough people to support super niche communities, you need a shit load of people. If you have a shit load of people, then posts on All have tens of thousands of comments, so the odds of you being able to say something and have a discussion goes drastically down.
Personally, I love being able to sort by Top 12 Hours, comment on the top post and having people respond. I also like that it's not at all rare to have someone comment on a post I made weeks ago, since posts aren't drowned out by the mass of content. Sure I don't have a community to talk about the nitty gritty details of the latest game I'm playing, or whatever, but I think it's a nice trade off.
It doesn't have to be that way here. Each instance can have its own news and politics communities, while sharing the niche stuff.
I wonder if an Instance can choose to not federate specific communities. Maybe the tech isn't there yet, but it can be.
Yeah, I am super happy with what we have here, Redditors can come here at whatever pace they like but I won't rush them. I spent my last month on Reddit (in June) helping people move to Lemmy, but there were so many comments of "why are you still here then, lul", so I left that site and haven't bothered since.
why are you still here then
I ignore those, or just answer to encourage more people to move. It's important to still have people on reddit encouraging and helping people migrate.
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Agree, we shouldn't subscribe to the "growth before everything" mentality here. Quality of comments is generally quite high with a much better signal to noise ratio.
Also it's nice to NOT see the same tired comment chains under each and every top comment.
I don’t want this place to be anything like what reddit became
Unfortunately, most of the migrating communities have been meme subs. So it may be inevitable as any site tries to appeal to the mainstream.
The real problem is its relatively easy to make a product that offers everything reddit does because reddit isn't special.
It's the users. We have the power to move, all we need is a reasonable alternative.
They wouldn’t be punching down if they didn’t think this was a threat to them.
Most of those comments criticizing Lemmy are actually criticisms that apply to reddit.
I'm far more likely to find a community full of Nazis on reddit than I am here. It's not something that most instances would tolerate. Meanwhile, the default subs on reddit have comment sections filled with thinly veiled white nationalist accounts and drop-shipping scambots.
I guess technically such instances do exist in the fediverse, but they're effectively silenced because every major instance defederates from them.
They're are definitely some real aggressive ones, I lost my old account but I had one constantly try to pick apart every aspect of what I said. It ended up with me basically saying I'm confused at this point, I might be too autistic to understand where you're coming from. Then they accused me of lying because I admitted to being wrong on a few points.
I'm not a fan of their aggressiveness, they are an extreme but not fascist extreme.
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Why are you surprised?
We left reddit for good reason.
I've also been pretty creeped out by how many pro-reddit people there are on lemmy. It's really weird.
I haven't found that many, that's surprising
I haven't really seen that many, are you noticing them somewhere in particular?
I feel like I'm more "pro-Reddit" than a lot of other users here, in that I'm supportive of people that want to use both while working on the Lemmy alternative to whatever subreddit they might still want to use.
Some useful communities didn't get rolling on here yet (career communities, niche hobbies and interests, social causes) and it's ok if people want to check them to keep up. People have lives outside of Reddit/Lemmy.
That's about the extent of the pro-Reddit that I've seen on here. It's possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation? I can take a look later too
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What communities have you found that to be the case? I'm not a power user by any means but have not seen a single comment that was pro-reddit. Just a bunch of people that hate spez as if he killed their dog.
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It's so weird because r/modcoord is the place to be when talking about reddit blackout, it's where people get info on what's happening, what to do, and how to move on, but then now it's back to business. The reddit blackout sure give me a clearer perspective on why a lot of boycott fail.
Reddit made it pretty clear pretty quickly they weren't going to change their minds, so mods either put their money where their mouths were and left Reddit, or became scabs. It's only the scabs that'd still be visiting /r/modcoord.
Imo, the boycott failed when mods of popular subreddits caved to demands and decided to reopen.
As soon as they reopened, reddit was back in business. The mods tried to pass it off as "well we're going to protest within the rules of Reddit" by doing shit like only post John Oliver or really childish shit.
It was funny but still childish.
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn't replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
I really wanted the blackout to work. And it could have. But when the mods caved, reddit won.
If you and me came here because of the api thing, we won. Reddit doesn't know what they're missing cus we're cool and great
It's great because folks here give a shit.
And if you want to get a hold of a mod or a admin/sysop, you can.
We're all just users, trying to make this place the best we can. ❤️
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
My guess is that they decided that the little fictitious power that they had over their communities was worth dealing with an obnoxious administration, that outright belittles them as "landed gentry". As such, they never actually planned any sort of migration out of Reddit, and instead rationalised their decision to stay there as "we're thinking on the users".
I'd have to check, but I think even during the protest there were some issues around modcoord. The users in control seemed to be recommending against Lemmy and for Kbin (or some other thing that never took off), and removing comments that disagreed.
Meanwhile Lemmy and Kbin have been coexisting amicably lol
So now that Lemmy/Kbin have settled in as the key alternatives, they are clamping down harder?
Edit: Interesting, I had some details off but it looks like the user who pushed for Kbin is the one making this thread. Nice to see that the user is open minded
Now, I want to make a bold statement: I think Lemmy is the best alternative to Reddit, and the most likely to compete with it, even though it has a long way to go against Reddit itself. I used to be a Lemmy supporter, but then I moved to Kbin and recommended others to do the same, after learning about the problematic political views of Lemmy’s developers, especially regarding human rights and such. But I realized later that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and that this is not an issue as long as the project is open source, with an open development, and as long as you avoid instances like lemmygrad. Most instances, like lemmy.world (which is also the biggest Lemmy instance), are not run by them and do not share their views. Lemmy’s developers also clarified that their personal views will not affect the platform itself.
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You still there? You’re contributing to the problem, no matter how much you think you aren’t.
Need to encourage more communities to move to Lemmy.
Perhaps "we" (users in general) could be a bit more strategic with this. Reddit admins have a noticeable disdain for the smaller subs there, and yet they are [were?] what shaped Reddit the most, and made it fun. They are bound to have some grievances with Reddit; and even if the Fediverse is rather small, here they'd have some room for growth that they wouldn't with the competition of larger subs.
Of course they are. Mods there in general are ridiculous. Remember when less than 20 supermods had a huge hand in controlling hundreds of the top Subs?
Or, how they talked about standing up during the API change with the blackout and then almost immediately folded when even the whiff of their imaginary sense power was threaten? Never have seen such incredulous mass backpedaling.
Screw that platform. Too much over centralisation, anyway. Fediverse is the way.
We need to just start calling it L so it doesn't get auto filtered
Yep, it's a shithole. I was banned from a half dozen major subs for pointing out factual information about the war crimes and behavior of the IDF. Nothing breaking sub or site rules, just pure mod abuse. Reddit did nothing even when faced with the obvious.
There were dozens of accounts calling for genocide and spreading hate openly. I reported every one of them. Again, Reddit did nothing (to them). I was given a permanent site ban for "report abuse." Over 13 years on that site and obvious political bias has polluted it; they'll break every rule to go after people and refuse to engage in good faith.
Notice how a commenter here https://archive.ph/cV8X6 says "I think the removals are being / have been reversed", which is totally false. I see that a lot.
Eventually the people will see the truth and decide for themselves. Apart of me thinks that its a good thing that there isn't THAT many people coming over to Lemmy, but another part would love to see how it would flourish with even more users. Either way we can just hope for the best of the platform.
“Lemmy” has been automatically removed for a few months on Reddit. There are too many comments here for me to sift through them all, so apologies if this was covered elsewhere.
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