I don't share their view on Threads. In that way we're not all in this together.

Thank you for calling to calm

Fighting spam and astroturfing is something that affects lemmy as a whole ecosystem. Yes it’s more possible with instances which have open registrations but as a counterpoint closed registration also drive people away.

I'm in agreement towards this. The only reason Lemmy.world is so uncomfortably large is that everyone here decided to close registrations when Reddit was having the migration. sh.itjust.works was literally born because of the fact everyone else was either closing off registration entirely or requiring applications.

Call it spam defense or whatever you want but asking people to essentially beg for an account, which is what you're doing, don't whitewash it, increases the barrier to entry and makes it so people don't even want to try joining out of fear of rejection, or worse they try, don't know they were rejected, and think Lemmy is a buggy piece of shit and leave. Maybe it makes automated spam a tiny bit harder and moderation that much lazier and laid back but those who are really commited, the astroturfers, are still going to register and write up applications filled with sweet lies to get you to hit approve, and you will hit approve because they'll seem like normal users.

@[email protected] uh, don't take any of this personally, this isn't made to target anyone specifically, I'm just trying to point out how the behavior of other instances in the Fediverse has contributed towards world becoming so uncomfortably large (and ultimately difficult to moderate because of it).

We’re all in this together and should try to find ways to collaborate our defenses instead of attacking other admins

The only way this works (if I am to take their moderation at face value) would be for us to make more bot accounts than them.

With that said, it's already a terrible system that benefits the 1% (who is very capable of paying devs/server farms/bot nets/etc to boost their investments).

Allowing the bots is allowing the 1% to choose the exact narrative that we see on Lemmy.

Lemmy.World TOS Section Labeled "Our Rights"

6.0: You are solely and entirely responsible for your use of the website and your computer, internet, and data security.

6.1: You waive Lemmy.World and its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, and all their respective staff, representatives, service providers, contractors, licensors, licensees, and successors from any claims resulting from any action taken by Lemmy.World, and any of the foregoing parties relating to any investigations by either us or by law enforcement authorities.

6.2: In the case of a violation of the Terms of Service, here is what may happen:

6.2.0: Removal of the violating content, and asking you to not repeat it again.
6.2.1: Being warned for the second time, and having your account temporarily suspended.
6.2.2: Adding temporary or permanent limitations to Lemmy.World communities, such as applying NSFW tags or restricting the posting of new content by users.
6.2.3: Removal of all content associated with the violating party.
6.2.4: Banishing of communities.
6.2.5: Permanent banishing of user accounts.

I think open-invite servers like that are asking for trouble. Maybe not a de-federation, but a safer space from the bot swarm I'm seeing.

Moderation federation is very spotty and always has been. I’ve cumulatively spent a few hours checking and it’s consistently inconsistent. Not to mention the fact that the referenced post was made after a user tried to make .world their personal drama blog using several accounts. This and the other post strike me as faux indignation.

First link doesn't lead anywhere?

If you have your own instance, you do get that info via federation w/ other servers. Normal users cannot see what I am suggesting, no.

It's been a big issues with the lemmy devs iirc (because publicity opens up the avenue for doxxing). But this also reveals that the same 50-100 accounts vote w/ their owner.

And a lot of hand waving too. As if fixing this problem wouldn't be incredibly easy.

This problem also just continues to grow.

The longer an established instance has the appearance of a large userbase, the worse it's going to be to claw back that access now that millions of (real) accounts will decide on their echo chamber over yours..

Webhook the word "Spotify" and watch the same 20 accounts agree on the sentiment of their owner

I dont block this instance bc of the number of c on it, for now,

Might as well unblock Threads for the same reason

I do hope you are aware that blocking Instances doesn't do anything besides blocking the communities on them.

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

I apologize if you already knew this, I know that many people don't and are under the impression that it behaves like Defederation. It blocking the communities is the sole and only purpose. They thought blocking users from an instance would be disruptive, and rightfully so.