A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!
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Yes I understand that this is a heated topic, but I wan't to remind all to be please stay civiliced and friendly! Think about what you are writing and that its not against people. Remember the rules of this instance. I just wan't to remind you all that we have the same goal in common.
You can like cars and also acknowledge that their over-use is detrimental to having a healthy and happy society. I would consider myself a car enthusiast, and I even work in the auto-industry but I can see the issues as well.
Additionally, even though I like cars I also like commuting by bike and have always felt bitter that I can't do it safely.
There are lots of reasons car enthusiasts want change too. We're allies more than you realize
Just because I am able to live without one currently. It does not mean that everyone is able. I am not saying fuck all cars, just that we need to get them off our planet pretty soon for the benefit of all people. So currently for me Fuck Cars is just Fuck all Cars that are useless and not needed! Some people need cars and probably don't like it too! For me personally this communtiy is to rant about cars and why they suck for us all. Giving ideas for better world without cars and showing people that love cars that there are good reasons to hate them too.
I understand what you see, seems bad for you but thats currently how the world is. A bit fucked up. But we all try to change it to a better place and I think that is great and why I love communities like this one (:
I wanted to drop in and say thank you for being respectful and making a genuine attempt at communicating your ideas, is baffling to me how vile people are being to a basic question of the movement.
99% of cars are not needed. Everyone should be able to go on with their life without it. Every car dependent situation could not be. Instead of saying cars are ok because I need one right now" that is fallacious, we should be asking "how can we change things so we don't need it anymore ?". Fuck all cars
I don't know where you live. I live in Germany and know some people that are dependend on Cars and do not like it at all. Mostly outside of cities its just not possible to get to work without a car. If they would have alternatives they would switch. So as I said, we should be open to people and show them why it hurts also them and not just scream fuck cars only. We should rally for a better public transporting infrastructure and why it is also good for people that currently depend on cars.
And we are asking quite a lot how we can change things so we don't need them anymore. So for now, fuck all cars that are not needed. And fuck the politicians that they don't give the people alternatives. Fuck everything that makes cars more dependend in Daily live.
And we should also celebrate all changes that all changes to car centric infrastructure. Its still a long way, but I think just saying everone should just get off their job and not use cars anymore is not the best way...
I live in Germany and know some people that are dependend on Cars and do not like it at all. Mostly outside of cities its just not possible to get to work without a car. If they would have alternatives they would switch.
Pfff, cry me a river. I know many of these people as well, and none, absolutely none of them has ever given any thought about where they live and work, but then complain that there’s no train running between those places. Yeah, trains do not go where you want them to, news at eleven.
And no, don’t start with the „not everybody can choose“ speech. Owning a car in Germany is expensive. You know who cannot choose where to place home and work? People who cannot afford cars. They have to find something that’s either walkable, bikeable, or on a public transport route.
For the vast majority of Germans, owning a car is a deliberate choice.
that's the bloody truth right here !
You are based and right. If someone needs a car, which might be, the focus should be on changing their situation as fast as possible so they don't need it.
I see very few valid exceptions - transporting infirm, people with disabilities etc. In most of those cases, there should still be a focus on how to minimize or substitute car use as much as possible
When I was younger my brother became vegan and he was such a prick about it that he poisoned the discourse in our family for years. A couple of years later I tried to get the family on board with only eating meat 4 days a week to limit consumption for the environment but at that point my brother had killed any good faith engagement and moved out. I am fairly certain that him being vegan has led to more animals being killed because than if he just kept eating meat because he was just too toxic
OP is like my brother. Everyone should ignore him because he is probably twelve and a narcissist that doesn't know that you need to meet people where they are at. The sooner people like him gets ejected from the movement the less damage they will do.
Because you can support the idea that cars are bad for society as a whole, and still live within a society that depends on cars. People may want to discuss the car that is the least harmful to civilization while still enabling them to get to and from work.
This is a problem with the Lemmy community at the moment. There are so few posts that people can happily consume the firehose, and they end up exposed to and butting into conversations where they're really not welcome a lot more often.
Wait, this isn't a community for people who are sexually attracted to personal conveyance machines‽
I like guns and tanks and planes for the same reason I like cars. But that doesn’t mean I want war. Just because I like cars doesn’t mean I want to drive everywhere.
These comments are horrible! Buncha assholes in this thread honestly, sorry OP. Its too bad people dunno how to make a point without calling you names or some rude shit. I'm thinking I'm blocking this community since mods seem OK with dat
Idk, OP is being a little aggro and inflexible with people who are making salient points about accepting the truths of the current necessity of cars in some situations
I am sorry that you think you need to leave the community. Maybe I can give a bit of insight what is happening currently.
I am also not okay with how some people are not able to make a discussion without calling names. I myself have written something that can be missunderstood and that after I read it must say that It really came wrongly.
We currently are working on some more specific rules to make it easier for us to decide what to delete and what not. Sometimes the comments are just so much that we simply don't have the time to read them all. So feel free to use the report button then, so we can have a closer look on the content that is not okay.
I want this community to be open to discussion and that people can have different opinions and that we are all able to discuss it. I feel sorry for OP too because its not okay what some people did write here.