I love how obsessed some Americans are with their founding fathers, it's adorably weird. I've never ever based any of my decisions or opinions on what our first chancellor did or didn't do and I don't see fucking why.
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When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.
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It would be adorable if it wasn't dangerous :/ they use the founding fathers and constitution in the same way they use Jesus and the Bible - as a reason to hurt others and stop progress
And it’s funny in the wtf way because the founding fathers were against religion being involved in the governing of the nation. They codified that crap! And yet, these idiots keep trying to claim it’s a Christian nation and we need god back in everything.
You're of course correct and I can only be playful about it because of my privileged position of being outside the US. I get that it fucking sucks from the inside.
You have no idea, hombre. They’ve slow boiled us like crabs to the point that 50% of the population is bragging that they have a hot tub while not realizing that they’re already cooked.
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The way it was explained to me, it's because of a lack of history.
Being a new country, they had effectively no history or culture, unlike the rest of the world. It lead to a desire to develop it's own identity which lead to elevating the founding fathers to a myth like status to match those of other countries.
It made sense to me, since there are myths involving demigods in different part of the world.
Yeah its the same way other post-revolutionary countries idolise their revolutionary leaders, like how the soviets idolised Lenin or Trotsky.
They were pretty cool enlightenment thinkers who created the first constitutional republic and were able to muscle out the British Empire. It’s pretty remarkable.
What they did is remarkable, but they are often treated more like oracles and the constitution like some perfect golden tablets someone dug up in their yard (despite needing significant changes right after it was ratified).
Lots of US people will explain to you that the constitution and its amendments are immutable. And when you ask them to repeat that slowly, they'll just say it louder because you're the slow one.
I wonder if there's some sort of irony in there about immutable, "perfect" laws
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Yeah, I know. Now if anyone used their actual intellectual accomplishments as arguments instead of the simple fact that they existed, that might be interesting.
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It's an important part of history. The fact that the ideology of some guys that founded our nation a few years back would be viewed as far left extremists nowadays is astonishing. These guys literally left a country and made their own country with radical stuff like freedom of speech, allowing people to come through the borders if they feel unsafe, democracy for the people and by the people and not corporate dirtbags fucking us every chance they get. Not to mention our freedoms keeping on shrinking little by little from the Patriot Act and more legislation to monitor our communications "foR tHe ChiLdRen".
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It wouldn't' be so bad if they actually knew anything about their founding fathers. Maybe did a little research on them, but the ones that idolise them the most know almost nothing about them.
Just remember: these people's vote counts just as much as anyone else's.
these people's vote counts just as much as anyone else's.
Not true for Americans. How much your vote counts is based on which state you live in due to the Electoral College
Yup. In most cases, these people's votes count more than the rest of ours.
It’s devastating. I lived in the US for several years and it’s just so sad to know that there are so many sane and kind and progressive people who are denied their peaceful lives by a loud (wealthy) and armed minority.
And also the amount of money you can funnel through lobbyists.
Are you sure about that? These opinions are overwhelmingly represented in low-population counties, so their vote counts way more than most peoples.
Don't you know? Democracy is about making sure all land is equally represented, not all citizens.
The first vote on this post was a downvote… they’re everywhere!
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People have been using all kinds of stuff for sun screen for centuries. Ancient Greeks used olive oil, for example.
And of course clothing. There is a reason that beduins dress like they do, or why stetson type hats became popular in the West.
Come on, we already have anti vaxxers, is there some kind of underground anti sunscreen movement now too? And even if George Washington didn't have skin cancer... What evidence is one dude's lack of cancer to prove that a modern protective product doesn't work? We have no idea how much time he spent in the sun, we don't know if he always wore long sleeves, etc.
Obviously we know he did have cancer, but I just can't get over how many levels of flaw this argument contains in so few words.
There is, an old friend of mine posted a ridiculous video about it on instagram....sure, there MAY be side effects to using sunscreen (not sunblock) that have turned up inconclusive in studies, but it has been proven that sunscreen and sunblock are VERY effective against skin cancer.
It's just like the "covid vaccines can have an extremely small possility of side effects so I'd rather get long covid and DIE!!"
Jesus christ.
You know I don't honestly love wearing sunscreen. It's greasy, it sucks.
But you know what I like less? Being sunburned! Being sunburned is legitimately terrible!
You know what I like less than being sunburned? Fucking CANCER.
Wearing sunscreen is such a laughably low effort alternative to these horrible things that happen otherwise.
People are so goddamned stupid it boggles the mind.
But it is simple. Also, you throw it at this crowd and they come back with evidence. Well, you throw it at another crowd and they might say: Oh right, they’ve got a good point there. Few words, simple message, inner logic = will work on a lot of people.
Back then, they seemed to just wear a lot more clothes. It's such an odd stance to think you can't use an umbrella or clothing to block out the sun. I can understand being skeptical about the side-effects of sunscreen being slathered on your body and absorbed... but it's pretty common to see depiction of parasols being used in older times.
I have lupus and my skin has become really sensitive to the sun as I’ve got older. I think about getting a parasol fairly regularly but I don’t have the confidence or style to pull it off unfortunately!
You can see the sadness in that guys eyes…
I just visited DC a few weeks ago and it was insanely hot and bright. I always carry an umbrella in my day bag so I used it for shade walking around. Even though it looked dorky and wasn't at all stylish I got a ton of compliments and nods of approval. Just do it, nobody will judge, everyone will think you're a genius.
Screw what everyone else thinks and rock that parasol.
Even if George Washington didn't have skin cancer, what does that prove?
Yeah, I don't think a sample size of one really proves anything.
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If anyone else is curious and wants to read more:
https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/health/cancer/
I had no idea they even knew what cancer was back then... fascinating!
Just because people lacked advanced analysis techniques, it doesn’t mean they weren’t observant. There are a huge number of things about the world that ancient people were very tuned into, they just didn’t have the tools to learn more than their senses could tell them.
Just looking at the stars at night and comprehending how long and tedious it must be to track them to the point that you can determine the time of the year or your position on the ocean is a small taste of understanding how much our ancestors noticed about the world.
Hey, science is just an opinion, right?
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I heard that motherfucker had like 30 god damn dicks.
And his wooden teeth story was cover for the fact his fake teeth were made up of the teeth of his slaves. We don't know if the slaves had died first.
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Burn!
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