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Tesla recalling nearly 200,000 vehicles because software glitch can cause backup camera to go dark (apnews.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The recall covers certain Models Y, S and X from the 2023 model year. All are equipped with “Full Self-Driving” computer 4.0 and run software version 2023.44.30 through 2023.44.30.6 or 2023.44.100.

The company says in documents posted by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that software instability may prevent the camera image from showing images while the Teslas are in reverse. The safety agency says that can increase the risk of a crash.

Tesla says in documents that it is not aware of any crashes or injuries. Documents say the problem has been fixed with an online software update.

Owners will be notified by letter starting March 22.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So not a recall just a software update.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's a recall, it's just that they can fix it with as software update.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I thought they pushed software updates OTA all the time?

[+] [email protected] -12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

A recall in my mind is when I have to bring my car into a dear ship/ repair shop to have it fixed not just click update. It isn’t like they are pulling the vehicles off the road.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's still called a recall. Any time there's a mass issue with vehicles that requires manufacturer intervention, that's a recall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

While this is technically a recall because it relates to vehicles, it is more akin to Apple releasing a fix to iOS because the selfie-cam sometimes doesn't work.

Your argument is doing more to convince me that not every recall is newsworthy than this is actually a big deal.

And I fucking hate Musk and Tesla. Show me a 200000 vehicle recall that actually pulls cars off the road and I'll celebrate the stock price drop hurting Elon's wallet. But this event doesn't feel significant.

I'm reminded of early in Trump's Presidency when folks would lose their minds over perfectly normal shit he was doing such as firing political appointees from the previous admin. Like, maybe it's just a slow day for news. Instead of trying to make something about a nothing story, wait a day or two and they'll do something mind-blowingly idiotic because that is their nature. It won't be a long wait and then we can all laugh/rage at these assholes again.

Instead we get essentially a clickbait headline that is "technically true" but completely misleading.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

it is more akin to Apple releasing a fix to iOS because the selfie-cam sometimes doesn't work.

It's not at all because that's not a safety issue. Recalls are only for safety issues that manufacturers refuse to fix.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People have been backing up for over 100 years without a backup camera. Calling it a safety issues is stretching that definition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It was a safety issue. That's why backup cameras were federally mandated in 2014.

Backover crashes kill more than 200 people annually and injure more than 12,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/02/backup-cameras-now-required-in-new-cars-in-the-us.html

[+] [email protected] -6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

None of that changes the fact that this isn't killing anyone, and if Tesla is to be believed (it's not, but I haven't seen a counter-narrative to suggest otherwise) it hasn't caused any property damage, and it isn't going to cost Telsa more than a few hours of overtime to fix it. This is not interesting or relevant to anyone whether they love or hate Musk or own a Tesla.

To have a headline that says there is a 200000 vehicle recall - no matter how technically accurate it is - is a misleading headline designed to get people to click only to find out it's a non-issue that no one gives a fuck about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

None of that changes the fact that this isn't killing anyone

I just cited a statistic that not having a backup camera kills and injures tens of thousands of people/year. If you want to present evidence to the contrary, please feel free.

is a misleading headline designed to get people to click only to find out it's a non-issue

Just because you have a misunderstanding of how recalls work doesn't make it misleading.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't misunderstand how recalls work. I'm simply saying this one is completely unimportant. Tesla stated no accidents or injuries were caused by this defect, but that's really irrelevant just like the rest of this "news".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm simply saying this one is completely unimportant

No, what you said was that it was misleading, meaning the author implied something that was untrue, which is not the case.

I will concede it is fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of "news" or even "automotive news" and probably not worthy of reporting, and that Tesla is reported on at an absolute landslide compared to other OEMs, but I wouldn't say it's "misleading" in any way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For fucks sake it's not that hard. This isn't news. Click a button and problem goes away. It's misleading because it gets you to click on a completely unimportant story. I get gotcha winning is an internet thing, but the context of the conversation is important and ignoring it for a quick gotcha isn't a win.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're right it's not. I don't understand why you're having so much trouble.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'm not. I foolishly stuck my nose in to agree with someone who I thought had the right of things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No argument here, I completely agree that this isn’t newsworthy. People just see “recall” but don’t realize those can be software patches.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Recall: a public call by a manufacturer for the return of a product that may be defective or contaminated

There is no return of a product.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Even if the vehicle is not returned, the NHTSA still calls it a recall.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Your perception of what a recall is does not align with what a recall is in a legal sense.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

in my mind

That's a problem with your personal misconception.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are you fishing for the Elon hate comments or really think this is news worthy?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Are you saying that a recall for any vehicle isn't noteworthy?

Because I would have posted it anyway, no matter which manufacturer was involved, because people need to be aware of recalls.

[–] IamSparticles 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because I would have posted it anyway, no matter which manufacturer was involved

Really? Because NHTSA has 40 vehicle recalls on file so far this month, some of which are much more serious, but this is the only one you've posted about. Recalls happen all the time for all sorts of reasons. This one is not really noteworthy, no.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I read multiple news sources. If a recall is listed I'll post it. I do not search for recalls specifically.

But if that's what you wanna do, have at it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is a software update. Not a loose bolt in a steering wheel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's still a recall no matter the fix ... and it's repairing a possibly dangerous issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I can confirm these backup cameras are a liability. What's much worse than them going black is when they will occasionally hang because the processor on older models (like mine) aren't powerful enough, and what happens is you get an incorrect view from the cameras.