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Posting this here because I'm unsure of where else to post something like this.

Over two years ago at this point I mutually ended a nearly year long relationship with someone I was still in love with. We were graduating high school and while still going to colleges in the same city, realized we were in over our heads and were in an unhealthy situation so we split it off. It destroyed me. It took me a year to get my shit together (I went on a minor drug-binge for about 3 months after and spent probably $6k from eating out and making sure I always had enough bud) but I eventually met my current partner. Things aren't perfect in our relationship but I genuinely love her and we work to further strengthen our relationship. I don't know that I see the rest of my life with her, but we've been together over a year now and I don't have any intention of ending things anytime soon. We also live together so making it work is more of a necessity lol.

But I can't get my ex out of my head. I've spent nearly every day for the last two years trying to let go of her but I don't know why she keeps popping into my thoughts. I don't love her, I don't want to be with her, I don't want her in my life. And ahe isn't, but I'm still dealing with this. I do have a therapist who I've talked at length with about this but I don't know, something about her just is stuck in my head. Maybe I preferred sex with her? I doubt it but she did kinda define what I consider my "type", so maybe it's just she's more unromantically attractive to me? But it feels so much deeper than that. If it were those shallows reasons I feel like it would've been easier to debug and diagnose. She was my best friend. One day she was in my life, the next day not. It feels like a very specifically sized puzzle piece is missing and now there's a small hole in the puzzle.

I don't know, it's kinda maddening. I don't have most social media, so it's easier to avoid her online and not think about her. But occasionally I find myself borderline stalking her, except it's just me gathering random information I already know from OSINT tools with no intention or idea on how to utilize it (I'm well aware of how to use OSINT data, I mean in this specific situation). Part of it just feels like someone really important to me was rapidly removed from my life and I yearn to reconnect with them, but I guess I fear what such an endeavor might reawaken in me. I don't love her, at least I don't think I do. If I do it would be monumentally fucked up and I would feel like I'm emotionally cheating on my partner, who is somewhat aware of this issue but thinks I have it figured out (I thought I did too; I'm not knowingly lying to my partner). I don't know, I sent them a proper goodbye email a few months ago and thought that was that but it's clearly not. And I've put so much time and effort into trying to wrap it up for myself but now it feels like I'm just lost and stuck. Part of me just wants to reach out and ask if we can get a cup of coffee, but the other part of me recognizes the red flags in that immediately.

I just want to be done with this. I want my brain to get it through itself thar it's over. It's been over. There's no changing the past, and if I could, I don't think I would've reached the point where I am in life with my current opportunities if we had stayed together. Part of why we broke up was because as I was learning how to sell pot (which I was never very good at), I became a massive stoner (which I am very good at). She wasn't anti-weed but didn't appreciate it. When eventually saw that us growing apart was hurting each other and decided to leave things behind. Being young and dumb, I didn't handle the breakup well. I didn't do anything bad or harmful to her or anyone else, but it was obvious to both of us that I wasn't okay afterwards. When I feel like I needed her the most, she was gone from my life. In doing so she broke our promise of prioritizing our friendship over the relationship. I don't really know. I understand a lot of the reasons why I'm hurt and some are justified some are not. I understand the role I played and the responsibility I had in hoe things ended. I was not a great partner in a lot of instances, and neither was she. But part of me wonders if we had met now what it would be like. But I wouldn't have been who I am now without her and without being without her. I'm just so fucking unsure man.

I'm sorry if this is really rambly. I expect that the majority of answers will probably be to just get over it already, which I'm trying to do. I just don't feel like it's the right thing to ask to see her again, because that feels like an eventual mistake rather than closure. Idk, tell me I'm an idiot or an asshole to my current partner or something. I just want to be done with dealing with the legacy of a long-dead relationship.

TL;DR: Mutually ended a significant relationship when I wasn't ready. Been kinda fucked since. Want to not be fucked so I can be a better partner. I suck for this.

Edit: Thank you to everyone who has commented thus far. A lot of the discussion has been really helpful and I've got some new leads on how to debug this issue. I'm trying to respond to everyone and I can't express how appreciative I am.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago

It sounds less like you're missing your ex, and more like that you're disappointed in the fact that the relationship failed. It sounds like you built up an expectation of your relationship with your ex, and when that ended up falling through, you feel let down. And it sounds like you can't decide whether to put the blame on her or yourself.

If I'm reading that correctly, I think the best thing to do is to acknowledge this fact, that the issue is not that you're missing the relationship, but that you're struggling with the emotional letdown when your relationship ended up being less ideal than you initially planned. Because if you keep thinking that the issue is that you're missing her subconsciously, you're going to get led to the wrong solutions. For instance, putting blame on you or her isn't going to solve the actual issue.

If we take this premise to be true, then I think addressing the real issue probably comes down to thinking about what your expectations were and thinking about how the relationship was never going to meet those expectations from the beginning (based on the examples that you gave). Ultimately, I don't know your situation, and I'm not a therapist. But that's my interpretation of what you wrote

[-] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Holy shit dude that's not a perspective i had considered before. that's massive damn. i need to chew on this for a sec but i genuinely appreciate this. i think your analysis is very accurate and helps me reframe the issue. it would explain why i feel like im making so little progress, because I'm not debugging the actual issue. thank you again!

[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This was kind of an eye opener for me as well. I've had a hard time of letting go of some of my exes, and I always wondered why. What you said coupled with the fact that I sometimes have a habbit of idealizing a relationship and fanatsizing about what it would look like 3, 5, 10 years from now, is at the root of the problem, but I never framed it like that.

Thank you for the words of wisdom 👍. I am past those relationships, but I never figured out why it took me so long to get over them.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

There are times in life when we don't get closure and never will. Coming to peace with this can be challenging. Do what you can to enjoy time with the ones you love. Time makes it easier but there's no guarantee for closure, ever. Enjoy life the best you can. Keep going.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lots to unpack here

But occasionally I find myself borderline stalking her

Don't do this you creep. Talk to her like a normal person or a friend (note - after you address the other points in this comment). I still talk with some of my exes, it's chill. You'll probably notice she's changed and you don't like her as much too.

There’s no changing the past, and if I could, I don’t think I would’ve reached the point where I am in life with my current opportunities if we had stayed together.

Good on you for staying strong with that. It's why you broke up originally and you fulfilled that. Good job.

I became a massive stoner

Don't do this. Despite so many people echoing the "pot isn't bad for you narrative", countless studies have directly showed it contributes to demotivation, and there's plenty of correlations to things like increased anxiety and other mental illnesses

In doing so she broke our promise of prioritizing our friendship over the relationship.

Half this post suggests you're a weirdo dude. First stop being weird. Then you can be friends.

I understand a lot of the reasons why I’m hurt and some are justified some are not.

You're gonna learn that just because you're hurt, doesn't mean it can easily be made right. What could she possibly do to unhurt you? Apologize and come back into your life? No, she's not gonna do that. Especially after everything you wrote before this. Focus on things you can improve and write off your losses (i.e being hurt) instead of letting them drag you down.

tell me I’m an idiot or an asshole to my current partner or something.

You will never have it all. People in stable relationships develop a crushes on other people, they miss your exes, and they see easy opportunities to jump ship onto someone else for a whole host of benefits (experiences, sex, money, whatever). Some people do, some people don't. But you will always leave something on the table.

If you're an asshole to your current partner, you're going to know that by the fact you're not treating your current partner well. But it really sounds like a case of you need to fix yourself before worrying about others.

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Apologies if my comment came off as a little brutal, but I want to be clear and not simply comfort you on it. Fix yourself.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Fix yourself.

Phrases like this or "stop being a weirdo" are aggressive, insulting, and only work for you to feel superior to the OP.

Even something like "you have a lot of unsolved issues, you should see a therapist before attempting to befriend your ex", though equally blunt, is less deliberately insulting.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I am in a constant state of working on myself. I agree that the stalking is weird and creepy and inexcusable. It usually doesn't amount to much more than a google search and a search on whatever social media i have (which is not much), but it's not right to invade her privacy as such. It is infrequent but I will make sure the frequency becomes nothing.

As for the pot comment, I understand the literature surrounding pot and am making an informed and conscious decision in partaking of it. I also enjoy being a stoner and am a fully functional adult while being one.

And yes I am aware it cannot easily be made right. I understand it is not going to be healed or fixed with a simple solution. It has just been a long journey already with slow progress. It can be difficult to see how far you've come when you're in the thick of it.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

By building context.

Other, new experiences with other, new people. Are they better? Worse? Comparable?

You won't know what it is like or what it even means to be "over" it until you have an idea of something else that will work for you.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I am in the healthiest relationship of my life with someone I genuinely love and appreciate, which makes these feelings all the worst. I think thanks to our fellow lemmings, i have some good ideas on how to progress forward. But the strategy you outlined is what helped me get to this point, so thank you for your perspective!

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I know it's kind of a given, but this is truly something that therapy can be great for.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

I always write when I feel bad enough.

I wrote down about my bad feelings. I wrote a letter I pretended to send them - it helped a lot.
I created a tool I used to see where on my way on healing I was. I used a clicker to measure amounts of thought I had about them and made a chart out of it (It was awesome to see how the thoughts dwindle to nothing with time)!

You can also talk about it with friends, family and strangers.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I do journal and I try to talk about it when it seems appropriate. I do like your idea of the clicker though!

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Yay! Discussing hardship as well as sharing the good stuff with folks can help if you have someone that fits around!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I am with a wonderful and amazing partner which is why I feel so bad dealing with this particular issue. I really appreciate the support.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

If this was a highschool relationship my advice would be to just wait. I was devastated when I broke up with my highschool sweetheart but every year it became less important.

Breaking up is something you learn to do just like anything else. In my case I found out the person I grew into isn't someone the person I was seeing would have loved and the person I am now isn't someone who would love the person I used to date. Now all the emotions I had and all the things that I thought were important seem trivial

Hope this helps, and don't stalk it makes you weird and everything you're experiencing worse.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

My rule of thumb is it takes one year of grief for every year invested in a relationship. The fact that it's been two years for a one year relationship is a bit concerning.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I'm not so sure on that rule. It's not like I experience a set time period of grief after a relationship ends that's half as long as the relationship lasted. It usually comes in waves. A bad week, dreams or even a certain smell might trigger a moment of grief that could last from minutes to weeks. As time passed they happen less frequently, last less time and have less emotional impact but they still happen. I wouldn't suggest that it's out of the ordinary to be having these feelings if they are occurring 2 years after the end of a 1 year relationship.

Different people will move on at different rates and that's okay. Just do your best to keep yourself healthy (mentally and physically). If you are struggling with moving on and you think it's actively harming your health it is crucial to seek some form of therapy however.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

I’ve been with my current partner for 15yrs and I’m still not over my ex. I just got used it.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

i think this is what I'm trying to avoid, sorry.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I think my point is that you can’t really avoid it. You can just learn to move on. Moving on takes many shapes and one of them is being ok not being with who was once special to you. There will be new people, new faces, new life events and you get used to life as times moves forward. Or you can just get stuck in the story of your past and let that be a burden to your present and future. There is one tale that comes to mind: two celibate monks reach a river. As they reach to cross it, a woman is seeking help to cross it too but is afraid she’ll drown. One of them refuses categorically to help due to their vow of celibacy. The other doesn’t say a word and carries her on his back to the other side of the river bank. Without saying a word he lets her down and the two monks carry on on their journey. After a short while, the first monk says to the other “how could you help that woman back there? We took a vow of celibacy!” And the other replies ‘’huh? That woman went off my back at the river crossing. Why are you still carrying her?”.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

You keep thinking about them, because you have yet to find someone, who can satisfy the feelings you used to experience. Completely distancing yourself first is a correct step. You know what to do, you just need to do it. Meeting new people, let alone at a level of connection like this, is quite difficult, so try to fill your time with hobbies. The more involved, the better

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I'm unsure its that simple. I'm in the healthiest relationship I've been in and I love my partner dearly. Another commenter offered a completely new framing of the issue which i haven't had time to dive into, but seems very fascinating.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree, it's not that simple. No relationship I've ever been in has compared with how fervently I loved my first love, who was also my first serious adult relationship. I loved her so much it was unhealthy.

We dated for about four years, then split up rather unexpectedly. It took me several years to get over it, even going through another two serious relationships in the meantime. A new relationship doesn't just erase the experience and the pain. Distract for a time, maybe, but it's still there until you work it out.

I think different people accept the loss of a relationship differently. I'm a big ol' nerdy nerd so I had to do it intellectually: I started mapping out what the relationship was actually like versus how I felt it was like. I was surprised to gradually discover it was toxic as hell. I began to see how the ex I loved and practically worshipped was also immature, noncommutative, and manipulative. I also saw their positive attributes for what they were and that, despite my brain screaming at me I'd never find someone like that again, they were actually pretty common. That's when I really started to understand that my ex was a regular person just like anyone else and I had put her on a pedestal. The intense feelings of longing and loss then gradually subsided with time, especially as these realizations caused me to stop thinking about her as often and especially to stop fantasizing about seeing her again or even getting back together. It wasn't just that I no longer had the desire to see her again - I actively wanted to never see her again. She was awful.

That's just my experience, hopefully to give you some additional perspective. I'm an open book if you have any questions.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Thanks for your insight! I do look at the relationship now and see that we were both exceptionally flawed people and there's baggage from that relationship (unrelated to this) that I've had to take care of. I've done what I can to map it out because I'm also quite similar in that regard, but it just keeps feeling like dead end after dead end. We weren't the best to each other, but we certainly weren't horrible people just young and dumb. I have had to deal with not placing her on a pedestal though.

Someone else said it may be me still trying to process the unexpected failure of the relationship rather than longing for the person themselves, and I think it could be a good lead for further analysis. It feels like a good idea as a lot of my what ifs towards her are about what could've gone differently or what may go differently if there's a second chance. But contrary to some of the people here, I don't really want a second chance. My ex kinda hated weed and i smoke it daily. She didn't like smokers and well my cigarette consumption is down but my nicotine usage is still sky high. I'm not the young, brighteyed kid she played D&D with but someone who's been hardened by time and paranoia (im in cybersecurity, it comes with the territory). I know it wouldn't work now for the same reasons it didn't work then. And understanding that the loss of the relationship was neither of our faults but just poor circumstances that were largely unavoidable (although i did try).

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Over time it doesn’t get any easier, the pain just gets further away.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Therapy. Seriously. It will help with everything.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I am in therapy. It has helped tremendously but it's not a silver bullet.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Some really good advice here and people really tried, wow, just really surprised that not all people on Lemmy are tech geeks... cuz, I have to say that I do have a hard time interpreting situations and emotions and knowing that I can write about my problems and have a bunch of people really get into the issue and give really good advice, that really really means a lot 😊.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I wasn't sure I'd get good advice as on Reddit I had gotten really mid results, but the lemmings have really stepped up. Hopefully I've provided as deep of responses as people have commented. I really appreciate everyone's insight.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I don't think this is something that unusual (or at least I hope so lol). This is someone that played a significant role in your life, that from one day til the next is suddenly not there anymore. For me this felt a bit like a part of my everyday life just died. Although I'm not sure how much you can compare this to the grief from death I feel like there are some similarities.

As others have already said, it does get easier with time, where at some point you will probably notice that you haven't thought about her for some days and then from there on the times where you think about her get further and further apart.

I know that for me I also had some underlying issues that really exacerbated the situation in a bad way. Therapy helped here so much. Not trying to say that you necessarily need therapy, but if you think that you may also have some underlying issues I really think that this will help immensely.

Hope you can work through this and can get happier with your current situation and partner.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

For me this felt a bit like a part of my everyday life just died

Totally unrelated, but a friend opened up about his feelings about his fiancee's sudden death a couple months prior. He said sometimes he's just going about his day, and something awesome happens, and he thinks "I can't wait to come home and tell Hannah!".. but then a moment later he remembers that Hannah is gone.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I've been in your shoes. I nearly married my ex that cheated on me. You know what happened? Like you I tried to move on and ended up meeting my wife while my ex was trying to reconcile. She admitted that she screwed up and that we should start over. I ended up snubbing her in favor of giving my now-wife a shot. Almost 16 years later and it was the best decision I ever made relationship-wise. My mistake was thinking my ex was the only one for me.

It's okay to not have the answers. It's okay to take time to figure this out for you. But you need to understand that if your ex hurt you when you really needed them, that's not the person that is going to be by your side at all times - they failed that check already. Life is short and fleeting - don't waste your good years hoping something will manifest itself through all of the past drama. You're fantastic and someone is DEFINITELY out there that will appreciate you for exactly who you are.

There's lots of fish in the sea, and potentially there might be several people out there that might be the one - give this one a chance!

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Finding closure of some kind I think. Keeping in mind why you broke up, why it didn't work out, why there wasn't a future in the relationship, etc.

The relationship before my current partner of over ten years was really intense, I thought she was really the one, she was what I had imagined my ideal type was for practically my whole adolescence. But a spot of long distance and her parents disapproval had us in a bit of on again off again, where during one drunk call to me, she admitted to kissing other guys (at the very least), and that was enough for me to just go, "oh, I think our expectations are too different", and I was able to put a hard end to that. Yeah, I occasionally think of her, but more in the curious way you wonder about an old acquaintance.

I had a friend with a sort of similar situation to yours, he and his girlfriend mutually broke up when we were all graduating high school because her friends convinced her that long distance wouldn't work out. It really messed both of them up, especially since they kind of stayed in contact. A lot of weird stories there, but not really mine to tell. But he talked a few times about all the "what-ifs" and it feels like that's the hardest part in letting go of a relationship.

On the other hand, if you can convince yourself that the answer to "what if?" is basically "nothing good", I think that can help. Though, easier said than done, it's kinda like brainwashing yourself by focusing on all the negatives about them. Easy for me because of the cheating, but not so easy for my friend.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I think it really is the what ifs. She was the person I decided I would settle down and tamper my ambitions for. And then we broke up and it swept the rug out from under me. I've since decided to never make that decision again (my future plans will require me to maintain a very active and busy lifestyle) and not tamper my ambition for anyone, but that's at the expense of properly "settling down" into a singular, stable place. But the what ifs on if things had gone differently or if I ever do see her again (very possible, we live in the same city and my parents don't live too far from where she used to dorm). I am content with what I have now but I am skeptical of myself and worry that should I actually see her again, I may realize i feel differently. Rationally i know that what's more likely is that two old friends will reconnect, and I'll fully see that our parting was for the best, but I can't help but wonder. Idk, this is gonna take a long time to fully debug and it's so multifaceted that it always feels like you're starting over. But mistakes do not define us or reset all our progress, they just remind us that we are fallible and thus human. They are to be learned from and grown from. Thank you for your insight, I truly appreciate it more than you know.

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Both of those already in progress :')

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