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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I personally wouldn't take the chance. Mullvad is €5 a month, and is worth it to me. My ISP completely shut off my service before ever giving me a notification. I had to completely restart service after going full Karen and blaming it on "my kids." I would do a few searches and find posts or info relevant to your area or ISP.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mullvad stopped providing port forwards, so they're not ideal for torrenting anymore. They were great before.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But barely anyone else provides it too. Proton has it kind of but the amount of servers are restricted so yeah great higher ping/slower speeds depending on where you are from

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not necessary but really really really really recommended.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yes. sorry. it's cheaper then buying countless games and software, whatever you use it for. think of it as getting a massive discount on things you'd have been forced to buy otherwise. overtime, you'd spend thousands of dollars in games, etc. VPN monthly cost is a small price to pay comparibly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

VPN that I use is about 50USD for a two year cycle, pretty cheap if you commit for a while. Even beyond torrents just not letting your ISP scoop up all your browsing data is worth the price.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

American here, I've torrented movies and anime for a few years now and only got one warning (For downloading "The Big Short" of of Pirate bay). I have since stopped seeding on that site, though a seed on smaller ones. I have had no issues with lawyers since.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

For a private tracker no, for public trackers it depends on your country. Some countries the worst you might get is an email or letter in the mail, other countries you will be sued. I even use a VPN for private trackers, let alone public trackers.

I would recommend using a VPN.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Look, if you want peace of mind use it, but it is also true that you will most likely be fine with it.

I personally use NordVPN, and I have been always torrenting with pretty good speed. I am pretty sure there are cheaper alternatives.

Good luck to You. :⁠-⁠)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You're probably fine, but I recommend just getting a free VPN to keep your ISP at bay. I don't like Proton, but they do have a free VPN. Google around and you can find some others too, if that one is too slow

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could even use cloudflare warp. Works fine for torrenting.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

What if i have self-hosted vpn? am i safe now? (wireguard)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It really depends on how likely you are going to be caught and what the consequences are. Your ISP may not care but copyright holders generally band together and have legal set ups in most countries both trying to take down servers and end users, lobby for legal changes including trying to criminalise copy right infingement.

Generally a trustworthy VPN is a very good idea not just for torrenting but for maintaining privacy and security when you are doing other things such as banking, or even just browsing. A VPN is about protecting all your data and internet traffic, not just protecting you when torrenting.

In terms of Torrenting, a Proxy may be enough and a lot of the best VPN providers do provide Proxy servers (that anonymise the detail of your Torrenting use but the rest of your computer use would be on the open internet) in addition to full VPN connections that secure your whole PC for P2P and non-P2P uses.

If a VPN seems too expensive, then there are companies that also only provide Proxy connecftions. BTGuard.com is an example; the Proxy only option is 30% cheaper than the full VPN option.

EDIT: Note though, a VPN is about anonymity. You need to trust your VPN provider as you're passing your data through them, and it is not a substitue for secure practices on the internet. You still need to be secure on the internet including only downloadling from trustworthy locations, using antivirus and malware protection, not installing software from insecure places, using HTTPS and securing your internet browser, turning on tracking protection & ad blocking, and even considering using virtualisation to protect yourself even more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It (possibly) adds a layer of security. Of course you're just passing your traffic through them. Should they get summoned to court or ordered they could turn over your information and show you were trafficking through them. I'd say to read into how your nation persecutes copyright. How strict are they, how often have people been legally attacked cause of it, etc. If you're in Japan for example, I'd say 100% use a VPN. Copyright is extremely serious there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Very true. Not all VPNs are created equal and it's important to research, but ultimately you are putting your trust in them with your data. They provide anonymity but you need to trust them that they don't compromise your security. And of coruse you should still do everything else you can to maximise your security on the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not necessary for torrenting per se, but can be necessary to avoid fees depending on the country where your IP is located.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I recommend the free version of VPN of hide.me. I didn't want to pay for VPN and that has worked well for me. Speed is limited after 10gb

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

YMMV but I never got into trouble for torrenting.

Bell Aliant in NS, Canada.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You are fine without a VPN until you aren't anymore. Torrenting was fine in basically every country until it wasn't anymore. And then some people got burned without a warning.
So you can roll the dice, it might take years until people start caring in your country and you are fine until then. Or they might start caring in a few months. If you aren't, there is a chance you will have time to react to the news when other people first get hit in your country or you will be one of the first. If you are already using a VPN you can rest assured that you won't be one of the first.

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