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Huh? 22 years is life? That's like 1/4 of a life.
Not advocating either way, just confused.
In the UK we give life sentences on all murders, but they include minimum terms. After the minimum term a person is eligible for parole (which means they could be released but only if a parole board says it's safe to do so). If they are released, they'll be on licence which means they can be returned to prison without trial if it is believed they pose a danger or break other license conditions.
We do have whole life terms but they are reserved for serial killers, acts of terror etc. Anyone on these will never be released (unless on appeal the minimum term is reduced)
22 years is the minimum custodial part of the sentence, the rest will be 'on licence' so out of prison under set conditions like reporting in at a police station every week. Breach of any of the conditions or breaking any other laws is basically back to prison do not pass go.
So like getting out on parole in the US?
That's exactly what it is yeah. 22 years (or 20 for the boy) before they'll be eligible for parole. If they're deemed to still be a risk to the public then they won't be released.
The UK doesn't do life sentences with no eligibility for parole. Every sentence will include eligibility for parole, with the maximum period for eligibility being around 25 years. But obviously there are still plenty of prisoners who don't get parole and spend their entire life behind bars.
There are a handful of Whole Life Tariffs but they are exceptionally rare (e.g. Lucy Letby) and it used to be that it had to be given by the home secretary but that's changed since
Letby was also in Cheshire. What are they putting in the cheese?
The UK doesn't do life sentences with no eligibility for parole. Every sentence will include eligibility for parole, with the maximum period for eligibility being around 25 years.
That's not entirely true. Full life orders do exist.
That nurse who killed all those babies got one last year, that police officer who kidnapped raped and murdered Sarah Everard has one, Dr Harold Shipman had one, and probably most famously Mira Hindley and Ian Brady had them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders
That's when they're eligible for parole with the life sentence, it's not a guarantee they'll get out then.
They're never free. They can be sent back to jail for the rest of their life for any minor crime or suspicion.
There is a different sentence of life imprisonment which is where someone is in prison for life. This is often what people expect when they hear life sentence.
It is clear from the conversations these two murders had, they were very motivated to kill someone. If they got away with this murder they would likely do it again. So a 20 year sentence is needed. Because they are young they may change and come to genuinely regret these crimes, they also may not change. This type of sentence gives some flexibility - they can be let of jail in 20 years or kept in even longer.
I would expect they stay in prison for a longer time. A patrol board is going to have a hard time trusting them.
This varies a lot all over the world, and in the United States state by state...
But generally, life sentences are given as a life sentence, but with a number of years and a possibility for parole
So you'll hear things like 20 to life. This is a life sentence.
You might hear life without parole.
Again, this varies wildly all over the place, but this might explain why this appears as a discrepancy
I'm assuming that these individuals both received life sentences, one with the possibility for parole after 20 years, and one with the possibility for parole after 22. But, I also have no idea.
People are not being sentenced when they are 0 years old, so it doesn't make much sense comparing those numbers.
Welcome to Europe.
In Ratcliffe's case, another consultant forensic psychiatrist found he has a mild form of autism and selective mutism
Never heard it put quite like that.
Selective Mutism is an diagnosable anxiety disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_mutism
I once knew a guy who had it. We were in the school orchestra together. The only verbal communication he did was whispering to his mother. He was around 12-14 at the time.
He got over it, though. He had no (noticeable) problems when we were hanging out with our mutual friends. He was around 18 at the time.
Presumably some sort of therapy happened in between.
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