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WTH is this shit?!

edit: for those wondering, the setting can be found under Settings -> Privacy -> GDPR for the EU version only I think

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm saddened at the amount of uncivilized discourse going on in this thread.

You can actually talk about these bugs and development with the developer on discord, and also submit reports and suggestions on GitHub.

Saying things like "fuck this" and "uninstalling" about a beta that has had at least 2 versions updated today is the same kind of useless discourse I'd expect with failed protests on Reddit.

Here is a more civilized critique of one of the gdpr functions on GitHub. https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy/issues/200

Perhaps you can make a new issue about a reject all button as well.

Edit- this response is to the commenters here, not op. OP made a well formatted and polite issue on GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If its uncivilised to uninstall an app because it's bugs are invading your privacy, then I don't want to be civilised. If anything, I'm doing the author a favour by telling them why I'm using their competitors.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a big difference between "WTH is this shit" and "This is a reason for me to use another app".

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The dialog shown does not comply to the GPDR. Makes it very difficult and time consuming to reject cookies and consent, according to the GPDR it has to have an option to do it quickly. This just a giant dark pattern dialog to make users give up.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For me, everything was disabled once I opened the dialog options. Legitimate interest was still enabled, but that's compliant to the GDPR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

'Legitimate interest' consent for ad-tracking, as the settings state is not compliant with GDPR. 'Legitimate interest' consent bare bones and for security and other essential functions only, not ads.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There should be a big old reject all button.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't have one either, it was just like the image.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not just "should", the GDPR actually requires it. Not giving consent must be an easy option, not this dark pattern clickfest bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

There is a reject all button. Try for yourself

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's how it looked for me.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is it called "Revoke consent"? Consent was never asked during setup, so how can it be revoked?

Edit: oh great. It doesn't even save your settings for objecting to "Legitimate interest". Uninstalled.

It's ironic, because the companies who claim to have a legitimate interest in tracking my behaviour are the ones I want to block from tracking me most of all.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the most asshole design for those dialogs. If it doesn't have a "Deny all" button, fuck you.

[–] Levsgetso 2 points 1 year ago

It’s even worse when a site guilt trips you to accept cookies after you’ve denied them, or just doesn’t give you access to the site

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't even revoke consent in the US. I'll be sticking with Thunder instead of Sync for Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm fully for supporting ljdawson and this app - the former version of which I've also purchased.

So, I was really surprised when I saw that the gdpr consent form had some of the worst dark patterns with the opt-out "legitimate interest" for each party.

The first time I was so excited to have sync again, that I just confirmed selection. Stupid of me. Second time, I spent minutes opting out of each individual party's "legitimate interest" - after giving consent.

No idea what this means or if ljdawson knew (he's the dev though), but this really soured my experience.

I think I'll still purchase, but this sucks.

Edit: I've since purchased the ad-free version. I want to give ljdawson the benefit of the doubt and maybe also chalk this up to the beta state. I just quite dislike dark patterns.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ads and data collection are too much for me. Sticking with Liftoff for now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Highly recommend thunder or Connect as well if you aren't satisfied with liftoff. I've used all (I think?) The android apps and those two go back and forth for my favorite. Thunder looks slickest but connect is the most stable and easy to navigate imo.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

File a bug for reject all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I've opened an Issue to look into the consent settings for 'Legitimate interest' not saving:

Github issue

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The two toggles called "Consent" and "Legitimate interest" is one of the most jarring things I've seen since GDPR came out. Those are legal basis for processing data, they're not supposed to shown like that to the user, that just makes no sense.

User have to opt-in for processing activities that are based on consent, and be allowed to opt-out of processing activities that are based on legitimate interest, but to do that they must know what those processing activities are in the first place!

Edit: The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. What does a toggle just called "consent" mean? Am I opting in for "consent"? Why are they just writing "legitimate interest" without telling what is the interest and why it is legitimate? Complete nonsense

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that is ridiculous and I have already uninstalled.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in the US and don't have the ability to opt-out of these things.

I used Sync for Reddit for many years but the Lemmy version's privacy policy is not what I was hoping to see. I would love a clarification around what privacy improvements a subscription might add...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

They are legally required to have a deny all button...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

"Confirm Choices" should also function as that button, as the consent needs to be opt-in - nothing should be on by default.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is one "Do not consent"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Can confirm this, I was offered (and chose) the Do Not Consent option. Weird that not everyone is seeing it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Big turn off in my opinion. I might stick to thunder

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Back to jerboa for me. Even though people seem to overlook it, it seems to work pretty well, and every single app I try just leads me back to it. I am also getting faster loading thumbnails and images on it than sync. Sync does feel smooth with its high refresh rate, but in my limited time with it, that seems to be the only plus it has over jerboa (edit: for the way I like using it; list or compact mode).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jerboa works well, so does Liftoff & many others... infinity for Lemmy is coming along nicely too...

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see this option on my app? Where is this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do not see it too, but it may be based on location, only Europeans have GDPR. I'm in Canada so fucked by hundreds of trackers without protection I guess?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess it's more of a Google's fault, but still, having to spend 10 minutes to Reject all is insane.

I've uninstalled it, sticking with Connect and will also give Thunder a try. Loved Sync for Reddit and paid for it gladly, but as it is, I'm out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That is illegal by the way. You should have a single button to reject all. You can report it to your data protection authority

They love this.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I see the revoke button but it does nothing. I'm in Switzerland. Is it a bug?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Connect works great. I don't think it tracks and I know it doesn't show ads. Probably sticking to Connect for now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes took me a good 10 minutes to scroll the whole thing and disable them one by one

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