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I think it's great that so many people want to build and grow Lemmy, but why are we doing it by copying over Reddit content? It didn't seem as bad when it was funny pics or memes or whatever, but now I'm seeing discussion threads, which doesn't make sense to me.

I can kind of see it if a Reddit mod decides to move their forum from there to here, and wants to start with their existing content, but otherwise I'm not sure this is a good thing.

What do you guys think?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm personally archiving some of the great content from my community on Reddit because it meant so much to me, and to lose it would be a shame. I think it's important for us to preserve the foundational content of our communities.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Curious what tooling you're using. I think they all have the 1000 post limit but I at least found BDFRX easy to use to back up my sub's 1000 most recent posts and am just looking to host that and link to it in a future community here on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I am PMing users on Reddit to ask permission to reshare their OC, and then manually posting here once I obtain it. It gives me the chance to give the posts a pass for typos and such, which is nice.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I don't give a flying fuck.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

There could be a few reasons.

  • They want to copy over their favorite content.
  • They want to try to attract more people to a community by bootstrapping content.
  • They are trying to artificially inflate their instance for nefarious reasons.

Personally, I think adding some of your favorite Reddit posts is fine as long as you don't blindly copy over everything from a subreddit. I have a couple communities that I brought over that I like, but without content, they mean nothing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reddit never produced any content. The users did.

Users move. Content moves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it was a user who posted content there and decided they'd rather have it here, that would make sense. But this appears to be bots scraping Reddit subs for content and copying big chunks here. I don't know about you, but I'm not likely to respond to that kind of post. I don't think it fosters discussion or helps us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm doing it with communities that need a jump start, and it seems to be sparking conversation in those posts. However, I'm not grabbing discussions for them to come over.

[email protected] currently trying to help /c/technology and /c/til

Edit: also trying not to spam, it checks top posts once an hour, and only will post one link an hour to each sub.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You have to jump-start communities. Copying is a simple way to do it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

The importance of jump starting can't be understated. Most people will go to the community that has content. If a community is empty, a lot of people won't even start participating in it. Plenty of people who make posts want them to be discussed, so they're only looking for active communities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think I have a bit of a bias against trying to make Lemmy a copy of Reddit, but I also feel like it doesn't make sense to copy old discussion threads. Someone asked a question on Reddit and got an answer. We don't need that duplicated here, in my opinion.

Again, i think a mod relocating their community is a different situation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Although when I see such communities not having any replies to reddit share/RSS/bot on Lemmy communities`, work days or a week it starts to feel like that fire 🔥 isn't starting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Don't forget that the real migration has not even started, assuming there is going to be one - one week to go for that to begin.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of people like to collect things. When they move, they want to take their collections with them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And there is so much knowledge deposited in reddit that it would be unwise to let its future on the hands of gold seekers. I wish we had more time for the backups, and that those that overwrote their posts and comments can share that lost info here.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I think it's a great way to get things started. People coming to check things out and seeing content are more likely to stay and create their own content.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everything is recycled nothing is new.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This was even true before they even copied it out from Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a factor that supports getting to critical mass, but should be used in moderation.

Reddit founders incessantly posted stuff from Digg and created fake conversation threads.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Most content driven platforms have the same problem and initial practice due to the chicken-and-egg problem. If you don’t have content, users not gonna come; if users aren’t there, they won’t be submitting content. So to kick start a community, you’d need a group of vocal users contributing a lot of content and interacting with them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not loving the RSS/Reddit bot posts really, I'm personally blocking a lot of such lemmy-bots.

I'm a fan of people sharing links and starting conversations or showing off an interesting/shiny thing with the communities themselves.

To.....maybe be not Reddit for a change. 🤔

Then again I'm an elder Millennial and remember live journal and myspace.

I mean I'm here weening off reddit as well.

Could see the benefit of temporarily posting reddit moderator/pin posts or such. Emphasis on temporary.

But the daily influx of such stuff when I attempt to view All as New is certainly a journey.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

transitional period i'd assume to make it easier for people to ease in, when the content they're expecting still flows in

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

With c/Titanfall, we're using the lemmit bot to re-post some of the stuff from reddit to lemmy.

We're curating what exactly makes it to the new community, but it's a short term way to have some content to get started with.

Long term, I would not want it to continue

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I don't see it as a problem since a lot of people are nuking their Reddit accounts, and I'd guess most of us are Reddit refugees.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Reddit didn;t invent conversation. some of my favorite subreddits were niche for podcasts that I like, and those buttholes are still live. whatever

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When googling information i usually end the search with “reddit” as Reddit makes it harder to view without signing in to the app i want to be able to google with the word lemmy instead so having the information here is helpful

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@nxlemmy
Only difference here is maybe some posts don't originate on an instance with the word Lemmy in it. It could be kbin or feddit or beehaw, etc.

We gotta find out whatever the best search term would be for the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But there probably is a instance with Lemmy in its name that has it indexed

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know about this one. I mean Reddit memes don't always originate from Reddit, time and time again id see old internet content from 12 years ago from ifunny or 9gag etc.

I also think that if a lot of the users have been in a Reddit tunnel for a long time, of course they're going to think similarly... questions even on Reddit get repeated ad nauseum (e.g "redditors, what is the most nsfw thing that's happened to you" and people commenting about actual OHSA stuff instead of sexy stuff= haha).
I'm not entirely sure humans are capable of have original thoughts 100% of the time. Probably not even 20%. That's especially true if they're getting all their info/humor from the same places.

Memes are memes!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Slightly off topic, but OMG I would absolutely love a community that's "NSFW, but actually OSHA violations." It would probably be a pain in the buns to mod, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I would imagine so that the information is not lost forever when many accounts get deleted or they nuke their comments and then delete their account.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Same reason I want more forums like Fedora Discussion, Ask Ubuntu, and Stack Overflow on the Fediverse. I like the Fediverse as a way to see information and have discussion on it. More good content, the better. Without good content, I would never have used Reddit in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've been deleting my content on Reddit, and while I'm sad to see some of it go, I would not be happy to find it's been copied over to Lemmy without my permission. Also, a lot of what I post on any forum is meant to be part of the conversation happening when I post, and having it sit around getting stale for 10+ years isn't necessarily a good thing. If people liked what I wrote and wanted to hold onto it in their own records, that's fine, but that's not the same as migrating my content to a different platform, context, and audience. Reposting takes control of the content out of my hands, and puts it in theirs, and possibly makes my content benefit people I don't like. (Fortunately, it is extremely unlikely anyone does want to repost my content, lol).

As far as whether it's good for Lemmy... I think it depends on whether or not we want to recreate a subreddit. Putting up the same content as a particular sub is going to tend to recreate the vibe of that sub. IMO that could be either very good or very bad, depending on the sub.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's basically how reddit got its start - as an aggregator of content that originated elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because Lemmy needs content.

And while text posts may be another matter, what is wrong with copying links? Reddit is just linking elsewhere themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Leaving Reddit was a bad breakup for a lot of us. Like leaving an Ex that used to beat you all the time, but you don't want to go

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think most of the content on reddit was copied to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I used to mod quite a few subreddits I created and some others. There are a few worth dumping and reimporting to preserve work of others which is valuable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean a good portion of us aren't leaving reddit because we dislike reddit's content or userbase. We left to get away from the abusive admins. If we can smuggle the community and content in our coat pockets on our way out the door, that's just stealing back what is rightfully ours to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Because most users and content is on Reddit and we are still building up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit was started as a link aggregator so there is nothing wrong with copying stuff from Reddit that was copied there from somewhere else anyway

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As I said elsewhere, I wasn't making an argument that it's unethical, I just think it makes things worse, not better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

because it's our content, not reddit's.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just priming the pump until things take off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I wasn't on Reddit then; did they do the same kind of mass thread copying, even with discussion threads?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I copy content for /m/DunderMifflin, which is a tiny magazine for The Office that I founded and moderate. It's easier to copy stuff over than to think it up yourself, natch, and having some new content there gives people a reason to subscribe and possibly comment. It's not a long-term plan. I see it as a temporary measure to increase the legitimacy of the site.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

i have seen you doing that! i was like WHY SO MANY OFFICE MEMES!!? maybe space it out a bit?

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