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There litteraly were slaughter by the police,

I stopped reading here. The last data that i have from 2021 says that there were 37 kills by law enforcement in France alone. Compare that with the 57 from canada (same year, 2021, and with a way smaller population).

I won't be wasting more of my time with a muslim shill.

I'll just leave this here:

• https://twitter.com/YasMohammedxx/status/1482065405963378688

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3kIJd-_yiY

Here we go again with the back pedalling and false equivalences.

In the case of slavery, you cannot free a slave by prohibiting him from being a slave. He would just be under control of his master AND illegal.

Making it illegal the authorities it will free all the slaves that the authorities know about. It won't free them all immediatly, but it will free a considerable amount. Eventually with time, all (statistically) the slaves will be known and they'll be free. If we are waiting for the master to change minds, slavery would still be legal and if you don't know it, traditional slavery ended by guns, when the british forced the last slave traders (the arabs) to stop the practice in the 60s!!!

That’s dumb.

Yes, let's allow slavery again. It was dumb to forbid it. /s

That is why it seems dumb and dangerous to me to fight a religion when you should fight morals.

Why not both? Shitty ideas need to be fought as well.

So while it may be a correct replacement of true freedom in specific countries, it is still less than true liberty, and still a way of oppressing muslim people in france.

Where is the discrimination when the rules are the same for everybody?

But there are a lot of women who wear it by choice, and banning it is bad for them

First, the ban is about girls (which is the people who attend schools), not adult women and it affects only the school premises. Why is it bad for them? It offends their sky daddy? Why is it bad to look like everybody else around? Why then don't they use large clothes without the religious connotations? They can use xxxl cloths, hell, they can even use a potato sack.

Egypt and France are also very different examples. In one, almost every girl is concerned by the forced hijab problem, while in France it’s only a minority.

And because it's a minority it should be ignored? The law exists to protect the most vunerable ones. It doesn't matter if it's 1000 or 1000000.

When we allowed women to wear pants, we did not prohibit dresses and skirts. It should be the same here : true freedom is to choose, not to be forced in any way.

Again a false equivalence. This is getting boring. Tell me, can you enter a church in a bikini? Can i enter a mosque with shoes? Can you enter a factory (the production line) with a skirt? The abaya isn't prohibited from the society. They can use it outside schools.

I strongly believe that it is dumb to think that you can free someone by prohibiting things

If you want a free society you cannot allow everything. Tell me of a free society that hasn't banned slavery. Or are you going to ask me how can it be free society if it's members aren't free to do everything? If you want a secular society you cannot allow religious attire in the government places.

Btw, egypt just banned niqab from the schools. The french did it in 2010, and you are basically, parroting the same arguments then used. Even bin laden accused France of preventing "free women from wearing the burqa". If we want progress someone needs to do it first and this is how we get social progress.

I am against anyone who prohibits women to show their hair,

No you are not. You endorse the behaviour by being permissible of it.

You previously said: Muslims do not want to force women to dress in a certain way, it’s beyond religion.

You seem to conveniently forget that islam is not just spiritual. You cannot dissociate the religion aspect from the culture and the politics, as i shown you with the egyptian president video.

But this argument sounds illogical here

This is just a way of forcing women to wear shit they don't want. By fear: You put the blame on the victim and it passes the message that you need to wear it otherwise, who knows what it might happen to you.

people to ban them from school and universities

The abaya ban It's only in schools. Not in universities.

Muslims do not want to force women to dress in a certain way, it’s beyond religion,

You are a muslim shill. Look at the egypt!

• How it started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIqdrFeFBk

• How is it going: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/weekinreview/28slackman.html

Today the debate is less over whether women should adopt Islamic dress — as many as 90 percent of women cover at least their head

Or this: https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/07/28/an-egyptian-womans-brutal-killing-sparks-renewed-hijab-debate/

Instead, they blamed the victim, arguing that Ashraf was killed because she didn’t wear a hijab.

The bold is mine. It's for you to not miss it!

I’m an American atheist and you’re a chauvinist troglodyte

ahahahaha.

framing every single girl wearing a baggy dress

You definitely don't know what's an abaya, and it's purpose. But it's ok, you are an american. I don't expect much. They can dress baggy dresses. They can dress baggy pants and sweat-shirts. Do you know what they can't wear? religious attire.

it is punishing children for adhering to a clearly mostly benign cultural practice

Nice choice of words. using "Adhering" to white wash that they are forced to use it, Otherwise how do you explain that that only women wears abayas and the boys don't wear qamis? Do you think that women are more religious than men?

this all fits within a larger framework of plainly anti-Muslim policy forcing people to either assimilate or have no place in public life.

The law is the same for everybody. Jewish people, can't wear kippah, shtreimel and tallits. Go cry a river. And btw, they should assimilate. Not assimilating means living in ghettos, something that you as american should know about it (since there are a lot of them in US).

started to be marketed at everyone

The equivalent for men is the qamis, however you don't see them using it. Just this tells everything you need to know about the abaya.

Bullshit. Abaya is a religious garment. The equivalent for men is the qamis, however you don't see muslim boys using it.

Typical reply from an islamist that never left the muslim country where he lives. Where were you crying when Turkey had the same law?

Abayas and qamis are religious garments. However only women were the abayas. Why don't the men wear the qamis? What a strange thing: In a mysogynist religion the woman are so religious that wear religious garments! Lol.

it is one with far greater complexity than can be solved with sledgehammer legislation

Yes it's better to not do anything. Because it might hurt the feelings of muslims...

even if some people do benefit, because many do not.

Even if 1 person benefits with the law then the law is worth it. Or do you think that the law needs to benefit everybody? The law needs to protect the most vunerable. In this case the muslim women.

Oh, we are doing quotes now? I prefer this one from an ex-muslim:

My school and my family became increasingly radicalised in the 2000s - 2010s and while I used to wear the headscarf, I never used to wear the abaya. At home, I was being reprimanded for wearing non-loose fitting clothes. At school, I was told by a Muslim girl to start wearing more modest clothes and think about the Hereafter. Everywhere in the Muslim community at my college, there was ´Islam’. There was this pressure to act like a pious Muslim. The Islamic society segregated girls and boys. One Friday sermon included the reminder for « sisters to stop distracting the brothers »! I saw a Muslim girl put on the headscarf. She came to the prayer room and eventually she started wearing the scarf. I think there was another girl I knew too who did the same.

Eventually, I started wearing the abaya alongside my headscarf. This lasted a week because I could not handle it anymore.

It is therefore not true to say that a Muslim woman wearing an abaya is cultural and about her freedom. What France is seeing is a radicalisation of Muslim youth. Girls coming to school in ´modest’ Islamic clothing will actively encourage other more moderate Muslim girls to do the same. Just like it happened to me.

Good! The rules are for everybody. Freedom from religion!

There are bouncers for that. And better yet there are search engines, so you don't need to stay all the time so you don't miss content.

MUD is more like IRC-

MUD is basically a talker with a game.

There's nothing like IRC+... Maybe, but just maybe, XMPP?

Sorry, i didn't get the joke.