NoneOfUrBusiness

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Okay admittedly I didn't know an election was held in 1996. That said, the PNA was (and still is) an Israeli subcontractor, and not at all a state in any sense of the word. The implication that Palestinians had political independence is false. When I said elections I meant elections as a state, which only happened in 2005-2006 after Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I assume they think that Israel is a 1-state solution de facto, in which case half the country does indeed not get a vote.

That person is me, and yes this is exactly the case.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Palestinians held elections until they voted in Hamas

Blatantly untrue. Palestinians in the occupied territories did not hold elections before 2006. The first and only Palestinian election was held as a result of the second Intifada, and after the election the international community refused to accept the result because Hamas didn't agree to denounce violent resistance (which of course they didn't because peace doesn't work with Israel).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Did you understand what A1kmm is trying to say? If Israel was a democracy Palestinians in occupied territories would have equal voting rights. This was never the case at any point in Israeli history, ergo Israel was never a democracy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

I mean yes, only the US did it more than a hundred years ago. A more modern comparison would be Israel, and, well... yeah.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A Gaza war peace deal walked into a bar...

[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 weeks ago

I know I'm preaching to the choir but the way they count losses is fucking ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

from what I gathered, I believed that Israel just took some land on which other people were living ~70 years ago, displacing these people. Those peoples didn't like being displaced and tensions grew, until attacks happened on Israel, to which Israel had mixed responses with violence and suppression, rinse, repeat and escalate for decades.

Uh... You're forgetting the Apartheid, brutal military occupation, massacres, ethnic cleansing via settlers and every other injustice Palestinians have faced for the past 70 years.

Now Israel had it with attacks from Palestine

You do realize Israel is the occupier here, right? Setting aside whether Israel has a right to exist (it doesn't; Apartheid ethnostates have no place in the 21st century), they absolutely have no right to keep killing Palestinians and stealing their land, yet they've been doing it for more than 70 years.

and is going with the only chance it sees at maybe stopping it, which is a very violent war,

Even if that was true, collective punishment is a war crime and Israel cleared that bar even before they bombed half of Gaza into oblivion. Even if Israel's goals were justified, their conduct during this "war" is absolutely unacceptable.

at least if you accept the existence of Israel, because if not they are the aggressors for occupying the space in the first place.

At this point it's not a problem of "in the first place". Israel is an occupier because they keep militarily occupying Palestine. Gaza and the West Bank are still considered as militarily occupied by the UN.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean... yes? Why would they not get attacked?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

I mean they were doing a good job radicalizing Palestinians before the genocide, but yeah.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

My man Israel never had a moral compass.

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