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It does feel a bit 1930s at the moment doesn't it

Didn't we learn from the pandemic that most toilet paper is produced with country borders due to high shipping costs?

At the time a DVD player cost about the same as a PS2. I remember someone buying a DVD player when the PS2 was $20 more.

Yes, no one seems to raise this anymore. AI to me has always been something akin to computer sentience.

Things like 'self healing' systems are being badeged as AI when they're little more than an application load balancer.

Similarly, they call people from South Shields (nearby town) Sand Dancers for not fully understood reasons:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/crime/20201881.reasons-south-shields-people-called-sand-dancers/

FYI it is the other way around. The British Empire spread Common Law around the world. Here is a Wikipedia's Page (Common Law section) which explains the spread:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems

This is why we occasionally get courts referring to Ancient precedents from England.

Thank you for this detailed reply.

I think we've found the crux of our 2x points of view:

1. Without a definition of a disinformation campaign it is difficult to set rules that can be enforced. Example: do religious leaflets count as disinformation as they aren't based on scientific fact? If not then why is there an exemption for that case and not others?

2. I preface this with: I am not in the field but am biased to the views of the British NHS. The scientific sources you've listed, though through, are contradicted by other scientific sources (note, I'm not talking about "these are my facts" but actual institutional research).

Source: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

Puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones

Puberty blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) are not available to children and young people for gender incongruence or gender dysphoria because there is not enough evidence of safety and clinical effectiveness.

So in summary there are 2x challenges I see:

1. Reputable scientific sources do not agree on this issue.

2. Applying a purely scientific principle will break existing norms and allowances. Principles agrees for this area and applied to other areas will cause an impact.

I'm keen to get your views on this as this is where my own thought processes usually get stuck.

Sorry for long text replies but this is helping with forming a more concrete view for myself :)

What was the behind the scenes deal on this? I remember it happening but not the details

Good points. I agree with the paradox of tolerance and your other points.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. This type of discussion is why in use social.media but it is rare to get past the partisan brigading.

Civil disobedience is an interesting point in this case. Personally, I probably would have acted as this Canadian woman did.

What I am struggling with is understanding what counts as a disinformation campaign. I read in your post that you'd answer this as a society and with research however, if you were put in charge of this research tomorrow, do you have a draft definition of a disinformation campaign?

I ask as I try to see the world in black and white and steer clear of the grey however, this is rarely possible.

Free speech being a good example. It's either a 1 or 0.

Bordeaux did something similar. They had parking garages on the riverside in the 1950s.

One of their Mayor's had them demolished and turned into pedestrian space. He also limited the parking and built a tramway to incentivze the use of public transport.

Its a very nice place to go in the summer.

Hypothetically (because I'm interested and not trying to start an argument) would you ban the delivery of leaflets for a pro Trans party that was authoritarian?

P.S. I agree with you points :)

A different analogy would be a right wing person refusing to deliver left wing mail. Example might be something for a 'Woke' support group.

Another could be, Atheists refusing to deliver religious letters of Christmas cards.

My point is , we can't leave it to individuals to decide these things in isolation.

Surprised I haven't seen this in the replies. This type of thinking is why Steve Jobs tried to fast and diet his way out of pancreatic cancer which led to his death.