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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm not going to reply to most of this, it's too long for that and I think I can get my point across is minimal points.

I think your cosine example is precisely what I needed to know I am right (I apologize back for snarkiness, I'm not angry at you either but I do think you're representing a position we must work through as a movement).

The first time you learned what a cosine was, how did your teacher explain it? Was it a mathematical proof listing the assumptions of number theory, 2-D planes, and simultaneously capturing it's geometric, graphical, and algebraic representations in one big swoop? I can guarantee you it wasn't. You learn cosine first in one of the ways (usually simple geometry as the relative lengths, and the teacher shows a triangle and doesn't explain its limitations to 2D because you're still learning), then says "and here's how this looks algebraically, and lastly "now let's plot the values of it" sometime later and you learn about trigonometry as graphical representation. And it's utility in calculus comes years later.

What was the point of this exercise? Why didn't your math book just make a 1 A-4 length list of assumptions, graphs, and images to get you up to speed in 10 minutes?

If you want to create that for a philosopher, do it! It's a great exercise in your knowledge. But that's not what the philosophers are doing, they're being the teachers. (Please understand I'm speaking well of philosophers in general, though I mean good ones specifically.)

If Marx just threw out at once every contradictory way that commodities exist and his "synthesis" of what that means they are in 1 definition, nobody would have a goddamn clue what was happening. His writing tries to get you to follow the thought process, through the contradictory stuff, to the kernel of truth represented by each of them are to greater concept. For your development as a person and thinker, it's much more useful than throwing out only "empirically proven" lists of claims.

I unfortunately think that the position you're staking is strongly correlated to the Western anti-intellectial and pro-STEM-lord bent that is preventing development in a lot of areas. If you have to go and argue with others about what is meant, that is better than just being able to accept/dismiss everything on an "empirical" whim. In fact, it's also the point. Argue that it's empirically false, even, and see how the pushback you'll receive isn't at the level of empirics but at the level of philosophy of science. Then empirics has nothing to say til we decide what proof looks like. Philosophers can pre-empt this by staking their claims in that realm, where rationality is our only tool. The Real is Rational and the Rational is Real, as Hegel liked to say.

And a small point: if you think philosophy isn't needed to be a good Marxist, you're in disagreement with every famous good Marxist I know of. Lenin fuckin loved Hegel and hated his idealism simultaneously.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

A major issue is that the amount of propositions and definitions is immensely huge. If you want the type of philosophy you're asking for, it's just analytical philosophy. But that loses a ton of its value. Marx was writing at a time when most people who would read his works had some familiarity with the argument style of the German idealists and were familiar with Kant and Hegel. The definitions, propositions, and argument structures that are missing are culturally defined and flexible, purposefully.

And I believe this is a strength. Playing with language as it exists is useful to convey an idea. Using "is" to mean equal in content or form next to each other is a great use of language for philosophy though it's inherently "contradictory." But isnt that precisely the point of his dialectic?

Making something too abstract (and here I mean, further from the way that one's rationality works on a daily basis) takes one further from what can be understood and be useful. Analytic philosophy (the pure analytic stuff, don't catch me with that claim that Marx was half-half) is mostly shit for this reason. Maybe it's possible to be as analytically rigorous and still make useful philosophy, but I'm yet unconvinced.

None of this is saying it's easy to understand or something, but the difficulty and working through the flexibility to find a complete concept is part of the philosophy itself

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

What's your coolest fact about Iraqi-particular traditions/customs?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

spoilerIs this only the fake government exports or is this all of Yemen?? I haven't tried googling that but I'm curious

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never heard this position before... I'm leaning towards "you are unserious" as the ultimate insult for this take, but I'm not yet sure if it's actually a very good take that just seems unserious at first glance

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

From like a video or something? I only vaguely remember this and was also so surprised that it's definitively called a patriot missile here, but I'm not remembering the details of the incident

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what you're saying here, unfortunately. I've read the Bible before but do not know enough about internal referencing to make any defense of my theory honestly. What does Luke defending him have to do with whether he was sent by Rome specifically or not?

I have no reason to doubt or argue any theory here, it just seems like you know something I don't and I want to learn it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I think this theory is better if he wasn't specifically sent, but just a guy saying tons of shit to be famous/wealthy/etc. and Rome allowed his words to spread because they were less confrontational. These things were the "systemic" defense of an existing base-superstructure system.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Do not mistake me as defending him, please, but this is not how I experienced random libs on the street talking about him. I think that there is legitimately a huge portion of the population of the US who had no idea he was a creep and had only heard of him as the funny uncle that walked around with Obama. The apologies and denial was only towards the very left elements of the US in an attempt to get them to vote , but that is not what the average person experienced/noticed. I heard that shit so many times from colleagues with never even a concept that he was terrible personally or politically.

It was possibly willful ignorance (likely, I think), but most people thought the "creepy" stuff was just him getting caught on camera at weird moments, blown up by MAGA's, etc.

I heard people wanting him to run in 2016 even. They're not good people, but they said it lol

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (5 children)

He was vice-president? And through that at least a known name attached to Obama. I knew a bunch of libs who want dhim as the "funny guy that average people like as a weird uncle".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Ok yeah just a total incapability to understand the position we have relative to this considering where you placed this comment. Maybe you're one of those "the debate is a sham and there's a deep state" kinda people, idk. Or maybe you're a lib thinking that Bidens performance doesn't matter because he's still effective regardless? Those are all just muddled ideologies. Join us, learn to have a concrete analysis

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who are you taking about? Americans in general or the people on hexbear talking about it? If it's the latter, you have wildly misinterpreted our intentions lol

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