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[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

There you go, here's your response to the article (below). It took me 43 minutes to respond, while it took you a single copy paste to post the article (probably 5 seconds of effort). Maybe now you understand why I don't feel like responding to every single thing you post with a debunking? The effort it takes to tackle misinformation is much higher than simply copy pasting URLs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

My general/summarized thoughts:

At the end of the day, if we do protectionism and bar China, I can only hope we do enact more subsidies, close if not on par with China, for our own industries so that we accelerate our transition to green energy. I don't really personally care if we ban Chinese products, I just think this is a bit of cope about someone who's just... doing better economic policies, that we should also be doing, instead of crying about "unfair market competition" as if free market absolutism is necessarily good (China isn't doing enough "free market" so they're "unfair", even though we're doing the same to a slightly lesser degree).

My personal preference would be doing what Norway is doing: setting up democratic state run organizations that do green tech so that we socialize the profits we do make from such an industry. That's Norway's approach to hydropower, where they own the vast majority of it, and they're ramping up efforts towards wind energy too. They also have a state oil industry, but obviously I'm not too happy about that in the context of climate change - however, it has been incredibly economically beneficial for the people of Norway, so we should likely copy their strategy for green tech.

Responding to specific paragraphs:

During a trip to China, Yellen said the country's unfair trade practices — dumping artificially cheap products on global markets — were a threat to US businesses and jobs. Washington is considering imposing higher tariffs and closing trade loopholes if Beijing maintains its existing policy.

"Artificially cheap" is basically a loaded term for "subsidized". We do the same thing for certain industries here in Europe, there's really nothing special about it. In fact, we should probably be doing more subsidies.

"Chinese subsidies are pervasive," Rolf Langhammer, former vice president of the Kiel Institute for the World Economy (IfW-Kiel), told DW. "They encompass almost all industries and are far larger than any EU or US subsidies."

Maybe we should increase our own subsidies instead? I really don't see the argument here - would we transition to a green economy too fast when climate change is a crisis in waiting? Why are cheap products a problem all of a sudden, I thought that was the primary reason we started using China to mass produce stuff on our behalf, i.e. we took advantage of their horrible working conditions that we know led to suicides and anti-jump fences. But now all of a sudden cheap stuff is a problem?

In addition to the huge subsidies, the report's authors noted, Chinese producers also benefit from preferential access to critical raw materials, forced technological transfers and less domestic red tape than their foreign competitors.

All of these sound like good things we should be doing. In fact, we are doing a little bit more of transparency (which is what "forced tech transfers" are, in less loaded terms - it's literally just making corporations share knowledge and cooperate) e.g. supply chain transparency in Europe is growing. Less domestic red tape sounds like a good thing? Norway has a similar "problem" of a government being a little bit too efficient. Obviously that's not a bad thing - maybe we should figure out why we're comparatively slow?

Langhammer noted that the West also benefits from the Chinese subsidies, as consumers can buy cars at a lower price while companies can access cheaper Chinese parts. Despite the threat from cheaper Chinese EVs, he said, some automakers were skeptical about the EU probe into Beijing's subsidies as firms such as Germany's Volkswagen and US EV leader Tesla receive them, too.

As in, Tesla has received Chinese subsidies. It has also received US and (I believe) EU subsidies too. And I'm talking about supply side subsidies, demand side subsidies like governments paying part of the price of EV cars have provided tens of billions in plenty of EU and EEA countries.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, unlike you I don't post constant articles about China. I'd prefer not to see propaganda, whether that's Chinese funded propaganda, or your constant posting of anti-Chinese free market biased articles. If the rules of this sub didn't explicitly carve out an exception for you, maybe you would've been banned by now - unfortunately, only "foreign" and "billionaire" misinformation is banned from this sub, domestic/western misinformation is OK.

Also, I will respond to the article, but I'm not a paid state actor who does this as a full time job (unlike maybe you, otherwise your obsession with China is pretty weird), so I don't have the time to tackle the multiple articles you post about China ever day. I can only do so much as a normal person, and I can only really tackle the articles I have knowledge about (e.g. economics).

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Reminder that OP's account is 90% articles about China and has said they have "Chinese friends so they aren't xenophobic" in defense of doing so. Bias and misinformation probabilities are high.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

But don’t services like Discord forbid third party clients?

Me waiting for inflation to slowly increase Discord's yearly revenue until it tips into the legally defined Gatekeeper™ status under the EU Digital Markets Act so they'd be playing with fire if they banned people for using interoperability apps.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

This is funny when you just look at your profile's first page and see you've made comments like these:

I hate this rhetoric. It implies that this a refular occurence. It is just a man hating comment. If this is happening to you frequently, maybe you are the problem. I am tired of being assumed an asshole just because I am a man. It is sexist. Plain and simple.

So you deny "unproblematic" women regularly experiencing unsafe behavior from men who are entitled and you're also denying people's gender identity - otherwise, why would it be a waste of time for a woman's fight for her right to access women's spaces? So you're hateful towards people you perceive to be "men" while complaining about "man haters" elsewhere. Logical inconsistencies in favor of hate is a hallmark sign of right wing extremist views.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

With this context, it gets more interesting:

On 6 December 2022, the Parliament of Indonesia passed the country’s new criminal code (NCC), outlawing sex and cohabitation outside of marriage. Under the new law, extramarital sex carries a jail sentence of one year, while cohabitation of unmarried couples carries a jail term of six months. In a statement given to Reuters, a spokesperson for the Indonesian justice ministry justified the law on the grounds that it aimed to “protect the institution of marriage and Indonesian values.”

Well, it doesn't seem to have worked – at least not in the short term. So now they can't have sex and they're not marrying either, worst of both worlds. Maybe they also wouldn't have a prison overcrowding problem if they stopped jailing people for things like these.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

This world’s pretty fucked up. I remember being disillusioned of socialism back in the day (still am) but shit like this makes me wish there was some magical better system than our shitty capitalism.

I mean there is something better than "shitty capitalism". You can call it what you want, market socialism, social democracy, cool capitalism, but look to Norway for a pretty good example of what we could have:

2/3rd of Norway's GDP is driven by the public sector, most of the hydropower is owned socially, trains are socially owned, 20% of housing is socially owned through housing coops, gigantic social wealth fund that could singlehandedly fund UBI from like half the returns it makes every year, they have almost 60% union density without a Ghent system like Sweden and Finland, very low income inequality, low on the hours worked per week by country list, high GDP per hour worked... I could go on.

And there's more cool stuff like that in other countries around Europe too, Vienna's approach to social housing, Italian and Spanish worker cooperatives, most of the electricity companies in Denmark being socially owned through cooperatives, 90% of Finland being a member in their grocery coops... like, there are so many examples of good things spread out everywhere - we just need the political will to do them more.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What's your source there? I ask because I was curious and found the exact opposite (but I've not done any in-depth dive into this topic):

The scientists found no evidence that frequent ejaculations mark an increased risk of prostate cancer. In fact, the reverse was true: High ejaculation frequency was linked to a decreased risk. Compared to men who reported 4–7 ejaculations per month across their lifetimes, men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 31% lower risk of prostate cancer. And the results held up to rigorous statistical evaluation even after other lifestyle factors and the frequency of PSA testing were taken into account.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/ejaculation_frequency_and_prostate_cancer

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Freedom feels good and just so happens to, for the most part bring nations socially

This part I'd agree with

and economically, closer to the US

This part, much less so. The US has a pretty bad history of overthrowing democratically elected leaders and replacing them with US business friendly politicians, whether through hijacking the legal process as with delaying President Lula, or by backing a coup as with Pinochet.

Given the context of this conversation, I should probably note that I don't support China taking over Taiwan, or meddling with our elections to sow instability either. I'm just challenging the point that the US is friendly to democracy - which has also had bad influence on European democracy (where I am).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's sad that it's taking so long when like 10 years ago we had politicians warning us about Russian oligarchs meddling with elections, or as in the UK, killing people with radioactive poison. We could've done something then but chose to wait and now the damage has grown larger. It's like waiting to get cancer, only to yell about it and do nothing, and only start caring when it's on the brink of terminal/irreversible before actually doing something, instead of actively doing things that reduce cancer probabilities.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

(the UK hasn’t got free speech as an enshrined right)

In practice, does the US?

Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, false statements of fact, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also a category which is not protected as free speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

It seems to me there are a lot of exceptions to free speech in the land of free speech. I wouldn't see any harm in adding hate speech to the list given how large it already is.

e.g. passing a nearly-identical law copying Thailand about the royal family and putting in prison anyone who calls Prince Andrew a pedophile.

That seems more of a problem with flawed democracy or autocracies, than to do with free speech. Any awful thing could become law under a flawed democracy/autocracy. The UK has plenty of undemocratic elements and they're abused to pass horrible laws right now, and we need to fix those elements - the laws are just the end result.

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