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literally deploying the "i'm rubber you're glue" defense to protect your pro-fascism, pro-eugenics meme

this is what projection looks like

actual brainrot

also, people willingly vote for fascism all the time so long as it isn't called "fascism" so this post supports fascism too good job

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also to preempt pls nobody do the intellectually dishonest thing of pretending me following this line of argument means im in love with eugenics and am here to argue for more eugenics or that i just dont think eugenics is such a bad thing after all thnk u

wow you did the thing well done

you made a bad argument, it's okay

if your argument was good you wouldn't be working so hard to avoid defending it like you are

All of these are fairly straightforward and easy to understand, it just takes a while to get into the nitty gritty

i feel like everything's "easy to understand" if you assume infinite time to explain it, but for the sake of argument, let's agree that these in fact "easy to understand"

in which case, the ideas behind pre-natal scanning and graduate family stimulus are also easy to understand, so we haven't really moved anywhere.

this post still doesn't make any case for marxist ideals being sound other than "people like them when they hear them without the label". which i'm arguing (via the use of the provided two examples) is also true for eugenics.

and if "people like the ideas when they hear them without the label" is justification for ideas being good, then eugenics must be good, but we know eugenics isn't good, so it's not a good justification

so the post doesn't make a good argument for marxism being good

and we already know the post is attempting to be an argument for why marxism is good, because you already acknowledged it's making the case that "people have a negative connotations about marxism", and combined with the point about nazis from earlier you enjoyed so much, that's sufficient to show that it's attempting to be an argument for why marxism is good

Ah, "the trains ran on time." We both know that's not Nazism.

what are you talking about? why are you trying to bring nazis into everything now?

(also, "trains ran on time" is mussolini, who was a fascist, not a nazi)

this makes sense

I dunno, why bring up the Nazis as though they had popular ideas?

i didn't and i've already clarified that?

i'm not sure what more there is to say on this

What parts of Marxism do you want to chop off?

if you're referring to everything then that would include stuff like das kapital which i don't think you can reasonably refer to as "easy to understand"

"philosophical grounding in Dialectical and Historical Materialism" also seems like it would be a fairly hard thing for the average person to understand

also, marx didn't invent communism, so to say communism is contained within marxism is incorrect

the opening of the communist manifesto literally references the fact that european powers were already trying to "exorcise" the idea from the continent at the time

Yes, people generally don't agree with the ideas posed by Nazism.

nazism proposed pre-natal scanning and graduate family planning stimulus? that's news to me

i wouldn't say you're working particularly hard given that all you've done is issue a blanket "no", and cowbee seems to be coming at the problem from the angle that i'm secretly the ghost of joseph mccarthy

i've given you two examples where i think most people would agree with the concepts of eugenics before being told it's eugenics, and so far nobody's disagreed with them? what's your issue? that you don't think most people would agree with them, or that you don't think that that fact draws enough of a parallel between eugenics and the post?

logic seems pretty clear and laid out to me but you do you, pal

No, it was brought up to draw equivalence to Marxism, don't play coy.

cool ur jets buddy

it wasn't, and doesn't even really make sense when read through that lens

what kind of person comes into a thread and posts a pro-communism video clip and then angrily equates marxism to nazism?

No, Marxism is popular, it's just sold as different names.

that's describing the same sentiment i just expressed using different words

Is there some other kind we need to worry about here that's hard to understand?

honestly the term "marxism" is nebulous enough that just deciding on what counts as "in-scope" is kind of non-trivial

are we talking about the economic theory? marxist communism? the whole body of marx's work?

what definition are you using?

No, you pretended the average person would.

i'm fairly confused what you're trying to say here

are you saying that that, for those two concepts, you don't think you could pitch the basic ideas behind them in a way such that the average person would agree?

Good thing Nazism isn't sound, nor does it sound good, even without the label.

it was brought up to explain why "it's just saying it has negative connotations" doesn't make something neutral

Marxism is popular and easily understood, yet red scare propaganda and anticommunism has given it a negative connotation

you're kind of just imagining a different post at this point?

"it does, actually"? you're going to have to clarify what you mean by "this post makes a justification as to why the concepts behind marxism are sound and good", unless you mean that "people thinking the ideas sound good" is your justification, which you just argued a second ago wasn't what the post was doing, and which is exactly what i'm saying is a junk justification

"Marxism is popular" this post very specifically makes the point that marxism isn't popular, but its ideas are. that's like the whole point of the post

also, "easily understood" what? we haven't even defined what sort of marxism we're talking about here

it says nothing about the reasons for negative connotations; you're adding that yourself

Eugenics [is] not popular

again, i've given two examples where the average person would probably support eugenics-in-description-only