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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So in reality they inherently have many fascistic elements that are unavoidable is what you're actually saying. On paper everything looks like roses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The bigger issue is that the term fascism becomes less useful when applied to all governments, especially because fascism exists outside of government in religious institutions and in culture more broadly. Hell, if you think about it, anyone using violence to achieve a goal are using similar methods to fascists and therefore are fascists. Kind of breaks down when you focus on the mechanism rather than the intent. Government is just a mechanism of authority that can be used to enforce or reject fascism as history has shown.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree, it is very useful to show how the tentacles of it are actually everywhere. It is the mechanism of it that is the bigger problem. The mindset of action disconnected from philosophy is the true battleground, before intent is even part of the conversation. I believe the whitewashing of fascism is a much bigger problem than the efficacy of the term; people understand they don't want fascism in their lives, so if you point out and are able to show how insidious and ever pervasive it is in their own lives, and how they probably have been educated to overlook it; it is very useful. A bunch of scoffing conservatives and their apologists should not dictate the language used.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess it really comes down to how one feels about Anarchy. Anarchists may be spot on in general, but I don't have faith in us jumping to a stable stateless society anytime soon. If anything, I believe we need global organizations to solve global challenges. I want people to understand the nature of the state, but I also believe that government is less trouble than it's worth. How else are we going to provide resources for projects that benefit the common good. Are we going to have to build and disband organizations every time we need to build a new project? That would take so much time without a common agreed upon framework that everyone agreed to.

What's really necessary is a united coalition built more democratically and with more teeth than the current UN but with checks on elitism. The issue is that building such a powerful tool is dangerous and could backfire, but I honestly don't see a better way to tackle climate change, global capitalism, pandemics, space travel, and anything else that is large in scope.

I think a global state is far more likely than a stateless society, so I would want to make it as good as possible. After all, what really matters is that we work with what we have and try to build something better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If we're suggesting possible future organisations, I'm with you about a global authority, but I want it to be run and maintained by some sort of artificial intelligence. There are currently no humans that I can think of that cannot fall victim to their own desires and become corrupt when faced with power. Just take that worry completely out of the equation. I would like to think at the point that we have that level of AI, that that technology will have already found solutions to a lot of our current global problems.

Until then your proposal is sound!