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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Then afterwords we pass electoral reform right?

so people can vote for the candidate that best represents them, with no spoiler effect because their vote is still counted against the republicans. Democrats believe in democracy right?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The liberal party in Canada campaigned on election reform and then when they got elected said ah actually nah that doesn’t really benefit us sorry

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this should literally be illegal

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then afterwords we pass electoral reform right?

You wanna guess which party has been amiable towards electoral reform and which has been hostile?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm guessing both are amiable to reforms that benefit them and oppose those that don't.

Allowing reforms which would ditch the two uarty system would hurt both parties. That's why it will never be implemented by any of them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That’s why it will never be implemented by any of them.

Yeah that's why RCV hasn't seen any progress anywhere in the US recently. /s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Given that both parties are now facing 3rd (4th?) party challenges, it might actually be in their interest to pass RCV. In the short term, it would reduce the spoiler effect, even if has a long term risk of undermining the duopoly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I don't trust Dems to believe in meaningful voting choice. I only reluctantly vote for them because they haven't fully embraced fascism.

People need to organize in large numbers for electoral reform to make it happen. It is not going to happen if we don't agitate for it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Electoral reform has to happen at the state level, and it's most likely to happen in extreme Democrat strongholds. So yes, if enough people vote Democrat, eventually electoral reform.

Trust me, Republicans are not interested in electoral reform, except maybe to outlaw elections.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Thinking the Democrats (or Republicans) are interested in passing any meaningful electoral reform is pure delusion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I mean almost every implementation of it thus far has been by dems so yes actually that is well within the realm of possibility.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Can't electoral reform be passed on a state level in the US? I know shit about the US but I heard someone mention that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Yes, states control how elections are run in their state.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It has to be passed at the state level, or via Constitutional convention (ie, the ultimate "let's completely change the structure of government" nuclear option).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It's hardly the nuclear option

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

We can do this on the state level! Many states currently have measures establishing ranked choice voting that all of us would do well to pressure our state officials to pass. Id love to see protesters camping out in front of state congresspeoples houses with signs about their local measure. No need to wait until after the election!

But yes thatd be excellent after November, as well