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Snowshadow:

A message from Canadians to US citizens: Dear US,

As the smoke from our wildfires continue to pollute your air and many of you struggle to breathe please think about this:

If you chose to abstain from voting or do not vote Blue, your air quality will continue to worsen because Trump will increase the use of and development of fossil fuels which will increase our wildfires.

Thanks for listening. Breathe easy today.

Donnodubus:

The U.S. is drilling more oil under Biden than it ever has, in history.

Snowshadow:

Sorry but I have seen you try this elsewhere.

Let's get your facts straight here.

The US is "drilling" in order to keep the economy going, your transportation moving until alternate energy can take over.

At the SAME TIME he has invested MORE in alternative energy projects than any other president in history. He also has reduced drilling on federal lands.

So please take your right wing propaganda elsewhere!

Donnodubus:

It's incredible that you think "keeping the economy and transportation going" somehow makes Biden's oil drilling different from Trump's — everyone drills oil for those reasons!

Yes, if you want to make a case for Biden, argue that he is expanding solar power or something — don't mislead people into thinking he is reducing U.S. fossil fuels when he's not!

P.S., fact checking pro-Biden campaigning is not right wing propaganda 👍

Snowshadow:

Please show me exactly where in my post I stated Biden was reducing fossil fuels? !! I will tell you...nowhere!!

pmonks (replying to DD):

Do you think a second Trump presidency would reverse that?

DD:

No one thinks that. The point is that Biden is not reducing oil output like his proponents are trying to make it sound.

We can't solve the problem if we ignore it as long as a Dem is in office...

pmonks:

For better or worse, our choices are Biden or Trump. Anything else is a distraction.

DD:

Criticizing Biden is not the same thing as promoting Trump, actually.

In fact, criticizing him can push him to do better electorally...

pmonks:

Criticising Biden without also comparing and contrasting to the only viable alternative (Trump) is misleading at best, and imo downright dishonest.

Too many people cling to the fantastical notion that a perfect candidate exists. I don’t even believe such a thing is theoretically possible (let alone even remotely possible in practice). And that’s before I even start ranting about how whack our electoral system is, and how it’s only capable of giving us mediocre-at-best candidates…

DD:

And here I thought honesty was about telling the truth! My source literally does compare and contrast Biden with Trump!

pmonks:

So then why did you editorialise it in such a one-sided manner?

snowshadow:

When it comes to Biden, you always promote the negative take...never the complete truth. I have been through your replies and posts.

(in reply to DD's claim of comparing and contrasting)

Wrong. If you do nothing but criticize him (and that is all you do-I checked through your account) you are pushing people into thinking of not voting or voting for Trump...same result. This is not the time to be full out negative, not this close to an election. Don't aprove of Biden's policies? There will be plenty of time to pressure his administration after the election. Push for Trump there will never be another election and you will never see a change for the better.

DD:

In case you haven't realized, an environment where citizens can't criticize their elected leaders is one where Democracy is already lost 👍 Furthermore, it doesn't follow that criticizing Biden for drilling more oil than Trump helps Trump win.

There are many Trump-to-Biden voters who aren't exactly environmentalists or Left leaning...

Snowshadow:

You are exhausting. I am done with you. You are completely missing the point. Bye.

pmonks (after a confused reply from DD):

How childish. Choosing not to engage with a recalcitrant troll is not even remotely the sane thing as losing an argument. Grow up.

( Transcriber's note: I did this all on mobile, and it sucked.)