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Vietnam under Chinese rule or Bắc thuộc (北屬, lit. "belonging to the north") (111 BC–939, 1407–1428) refers to four historical periods when several portions of modern-day Northern Vietnam was under the rule of various Chinese dynasties. Bắc thuộc in Vietnamese historiography is traditionally considered to have started in 111 BC, when the Han dynasty conquered Nanyue (Vietnamese "Nam Việt") and lasted until 939, when the Ngô dynasty was founded. A fourth, relatively brief, 20-year rule by the Ming dynasty during the 15th century is usually excluded by historians in their discussion of the main, almost continuous, period of Chinese rule from 111 BC to 939 AD.

The four periods of Chinese rule did not correspond to the modern borders of Vietnam, but were mainly limited to the area around the Red River Delta and adjacent areas. During the first three periods of Chinese rule, the pre-Sinitic indigenous culture was centered in the northern part of modern Vietnam, in the alluvial deltas of the Hong, Cả and Mã Rivers.

Elements of Chinese culture such as language, religion, art, and way of life constituted an important component of traditional Vietnamese culture until modernity.

Periods of Chinese rule

First Era of Northern Domination: 111 BC–AD 40

The first period of Bắc thuộc is traditionally considered to have started following the Western Han's victory in the Han–Nanyue War. It ended with the brief revolt of the Trưng sisters.

Second Era of Northern Domination: AD 43–544

Chinese rule was restored after the Trung sisters' rebellion. The second period of Chinese rule was ended by the revolt of Lý Bôn, who took advantage of the internal disorder of the waning Liang dynasty. Lý Bôn subsequently founded the Early Lý dynasty, with the official dynastic name "Vạn Xuân" (萬春).

Third Era of Northern Domination: AD 602–905

The Sui dynasty reincorporated Vietnam into China following the Sui–Early Lý War. This period saw the entrenchment of mandarin administration in Vietnam. The third period of Chinese rule concluded following the collapse of the Tang dynasty and the subsequent defeat of the Southern Han armada by Ngô Quyền at the Battle of Bạch Đằng. Ngô Quyền later proclaimed the Ngô dynasty.

Fourth Era of Northern Domination: AD 1407–1428

Vietnam was brought under the control of China following the Ming dynasty's defeat of the short-lived Hồ dynasty. The fourth period of Chinese rule ended when the Lam Sơn uprising led by Lê Lợi emerged successful. Lê Lợi then reestablished the Đại Việt kingdom (大越) under the new Lê dynasty.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So after approximately the 4829th time getting ghosted by a promised grindr hookup I'm done with that app, and frankly all dating apps are also on the chopping block. Conversation after conversation with interesting polysyllabic people, details spelled out both ways on expectations and consent and limits, a plan made to meet - and then permanent radio silence after they simply don't show. I am done.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mike? Jane? Dave? Jess? Doug? Beth? Fuck off I only date polysyllabic people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Maybe it's possible on there, but I had a similar experience, never had any luck on dating apps, I don't know anyone in a serious relationship that met on an app. I don't know if they actually help anyone more than not. It was only after I stopped trying on all fronts for some time, I met someone through work and we were together a while.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't know anyone in a serious relationship that met on an app.

This is reassuring. I hope they turn out to be a fad, and in a few years everyone just stops using them and looks back on them like they were one of the dumbest fucking ideas of the century.

I think that society will have to undergo some really drastic changes in order for there to be places for people to meet IRL again though

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I think there are the places in society already for people to meet if they can become more funded/accessible or whatever. Where I'm at I've connected through the art/music scene just by seeing the same people at shows and cafes around and becoming familiar.

There are at least two donation-based bookstores nearby that are socialist ran and have events that encourage meeting like minded people like talks or poetry readings. I'm fortunate to be in a place where there is a good amount of that going on though.

We do need more though, it's kind of a niche crowd where I'm talking about. What sort of place would you envision?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I met my current wife on a dating app almost ten years ago.

That being said I was almost about to close all my accounts at that point for the same reasons stated in this thread and the success rate WRT actual dates that ended up going well was very poor

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm happy it worked out for you 🌞 I should have said I don't know anyone personally, I definitely have seen cases of people without luck IRL that found lasting partners from things like tinder.

But yeah it just seems like a hassle overall! My experience wasn't so bad, but I would connect with people, have good conversations and would seem compatible, but then just wouldn't vibe IRL or would have an okay time and never talk again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

To be clear we had both canceled on each other one time and both of us were at the point where we no longer wanted to use dating apps so whatever aligned to get us both to commit to the third try at a date is the real hero not okcupid

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I met my partner on apps. I had lots of short term relationships from apps but I do think they have probably gotten much worse in recent years