this post was submitted on 29 May 2024
-44 points (7.7% liked)
Controversial - the place to discuss controversial topics
429 readers
1 users here now
Controversial - the community to discuss controversial topics.
Challenge others opinions and be challenged on your own.
This is not a safe space nor an echo-chamber, you come here to discuss in a civilized way, no flaming, no insults!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "trust me bro" is not a valid argument.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
If difference is my "violence" wouldn't exist if pedophiles kept themselves under control
I'm not going out and actively harming innocent people for no reason. They've done something that deserves to be punished
No. There's where you're wrong.
Pedophile is a state of existence, much like gay. It's a sexual attraction NOT an action. A pedophile doesn't choose to be sexually attracted to children, any more than a gay person chooses to be gay. (The obvious difference is that gay people that are adults can consent; there can be no moral, ethical, or legal relationship with a child.)
What you're looking for a child molester. Not all pedophiles are child molesters. Not all people that molest children at pedophiles; many are likely not, but are simply opportunistic sexual predators attacking the most vulnerable population.
Beyond that, 100+ years of psychology research has demonstrated that punishment is a very poor deterrent to behaviour. If you want to change the way people act, then you need to reform behaviour, rather than punishing it. But it's clear that you don't care about actually solving the problem, you just want revenge.
Ill give you that one, I was specifically mentioning child molesters and rapist. Albeit most people use the 2 interchangeably
This furthers my reason for having no sympathy for them. They are such animals that they only think about themselves, and will happily look the other direction when someone gets hurt directly because of them. So why should I care when they get hurt because of their own selfish actions?
How is this a problem exactly? Do you not think people (especially child rapists) should be punished for their crimes? Because that's a type of revenge. The fact is while punishment my not be the best at reform, you've already made it clear these people are born this way, and there is no reform for them. If the people who are attracted to children get help BEFORE they act and harm an innocent person then that's a different story, they understand they have a problem and are working to fix it. But someone who rapes a child doesn't have this same mindset and understanding. They are selfish psychopaths with no care except themselves and would likely do it again since nothing morally stopped them the first time.
No, I don't. Punishment doesn't change behaviour. I think that when people offend against other people, they should be required to do what they can to make things right, and they should change how they act in the future. In many cases--not just talking about child sexual assualt--'making things right' means monetary damages, but it could also be, for instance, community service. Changing behaviour for the future requires things like therapy, and requires buy-in from the offender. That is, the person that's committed the offense has to want to change. Punishing people doesn't do any of that; in fact, it's more likely to harden people so that they're more resistant to change than they would be otherwise.
No, that isn't what I said at all. You can't make a gay person straight, that's absolutely true. On the other hand, you can moderate behaviour. Intensive therapy is pretty good at that, as long as a person is willing to change
Because it's counter-productive. It actively makes reform more difficult, and is more costly. And what happens when the conviction is wrong? What happens when the victim has a faulty memory, and the tech in the lab has been falsifying evidence?
Okay, so what's your cutoff point? We know, with near absolute certainty, that increased speeds in cars are directly linked to both probability and severity of accidents. So isn't it entirely reasonable to say that a person that's speeding has demonstrated that they're a selfish psychopath with no regard for anyone other than their own desires and conveniences, and that, since they weren't morally stopped by laws in the past, that they deserve no civil rights moving forwards? After all, they're acting with reckless indifference to the well-being of others, and the fact that they haven't harmed someone else yet, doesn't mean that they haven't demonstrated a willingness to do so in order to get to their destination just a little faster.