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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 162 points 2 months ago (5 children)

That chart is evil. First two ticks represent 5 years. Ticks 2-3 represent 2 years. The last two ticks represent 2 1/2-3 years!

Also, what's so magical about 2014 that it deserves to be the baseline? I'd love to see this extended back to, oh, 2006 or so. Sometime before the Great Recession.

Finally, what about shrinkflation? I used to order from Panera on a regular basis, but during the pandemic, it seemed like their sandwiches shrank a little bit more between every order. At this point, I don't think it's even worth ordering from them.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

JFC I didn't even notice the x axis at first glance.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess just because it's 10 years difference?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

There is no excuse for this kind of ungodly travesty of a lie made with data.

They are awarded no points and may God have mercy on their soul.

[–] Honytawk 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The time line doesn't matter since it is only comparing different brands to inflation, not against time. You could stretch the graph but the comparison will stay the same.

2014 is just chosen as a starting point. Most probably because the info was readily available. You can make the same graph starting from any point in time and the conclusion of the graph wouldn't change.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hard disagree on both points. If the time line doesn't matter, why include it? It would be simpler to just plot the endpoints.

As for the conclusion, what if McDonalds kept prices the same from 2004-2014, but Popeyes doubled prices over the same time period? The final plots for 2024 would be in a different order. It would be a different conclusion. Unless nobody changed prices at all before 2014, you'll have a different final result.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The timeline gives a general reference point. You're right they could mostly just include 2014 and the final year as well. No big deal in my opinion since they don't try to emphasize the price points at each year (as only a vague idea is given based on the line).

In terms of your second point, what if from '99 to 2003, Mcdonald's had doubled their prices? the graph would be the same? We can keep going back until each business's complete history, but I feel this graph tells enough of a story: Both brands increased their product costs a certain amount from the dates indicated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

And who is what at that mid-level grouping on the left vertical? I could guess at the colors, but I've come up with 9 different possibilities. It'd be nice to be able to tell which is leveling off and which is accelerating.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention that a huge number of these businesses are locally owned franchises, where the parent corporation has less control over menu prices.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Many franchises are bound by a specific cost structure and predefined distribution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

And most franchises are required to purchase their raw ingredients from the parent corporation, which means that even if they choose to be flexible on their prices their baseline costs are still set by a global conglomerate.