It's actually pretty incredible how the reality of material conditions doesn't factor into the thinking or logic of a liberal at all. I don't expect them to be diehard Marxists without exposure and education, but got-damn you'd think at some point a couple gears might accidentally click together and turn something in their brains.

It's like, wow, you guys identified commonalities between conservative Islam and conservative Christianity and instead of taking the next step of "ohhhhh wooooowww all those "shitholes" like Iraq and Afghanistan are "shitholes" because someone (but who could ever say who...?) intentionally oppressed entire regions of the world, stole all their wealth or ability to be wealthy, and left them with nothing but conservative theocracies that were the only people/governments in the regions who were willing to stand up, do literally ANYTHING for the people, and oppose the (mysterious... who are they?) outsiders fucking everything up."

I forget who said this, but something along the lines of "the only thing separating a guy in the Taliban from your average American hog is material conditions being good still in the US. Take away their food, access to clean water, etc. and you'll quickly see hogs out doing what hogs everywhere do."

Also at a certain point you'd think the liberals would ask why their leaders (both parties) have always supported conservatives to be dictators in the countries the US opposed (for mysterious reasons- oh, nvm, not a mystery. They weren't "free" enough so we had to starve them and eventually help local hogs overthrow the government there and run everything into the ground- but America go their oil, etc.) and why it is that every time there's a "bad group" or "bad guy" like Hamas, or the Taliban or whatever else, bin Laden, Saddam, Putin, that they always seem to have odd ties to the US for a while before the US goes "oh, this guy is bad now." Like why is the average of choosing leaders 0% on the "everything turned out ok, actually"?

That's probably a rambling mess, I just got done running and am in a semi-delirious state, but basically fuck liberals, read a goddamn book and take a scalpel to all the shit in your rotten brains centered around "American Exceptionalism." The only thing America is exceptional at is mass murder and self delusion.