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The Vilnius summit could have achieved much more, if only the political willpower had allowed it

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Not who you asked, but:

The reasonable countries in NATO have been burnt before by letting in countries with a long record of having reasonable governments, and Ukraine has had one for only a decade. They probably aren't that keen to be burnt again.

The unreasonable countries are... unreasonable... interested in sucking up to the dictators of the world. They don't do that by making NATO larger.

Meanwhile while NATO has a lot to offer Ukraine, Ukraine doesn't have a whole lot to offer NATO (that isn't already on offer by things like asking to join the EU). It's not like Turkey where they control a critical piece of territory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The reasonable countries in NATO have been burnt before by letting in countries with a long record of having reasonable governments, and Ukraine has had one for only a decade. They probably aren't that keen to be burnt again.

Yet NATO has not taken any steps to remove/ suspend the memberships of member countries turned dictatorships or with govt. supporting dictatorships. They're ok with it, so why this farce?

Meanwhile while NATO has a lot to offer Ukraine, Ukraine doesn't have a whole lot to offer NATO

Ukraine is a buffer country between Russia and NATO countries. It controls a critical piece of territory & has been offering NATO a whole lot since Feb 24, 2022 which is why NATO is supplying them arms & ammo. NATO is not altruistic, Hell! it was only when Ukraine did not lose in the planned 3-4 days and when NATO's own citizens held huge demonstrations supporting Ukraine that it started supporting Ukraine.

NATO is content with Ukraine bleeding and getting bombed, because Putin (who they all have coddled for a long while) is kept busy with it, is weakened by it, but still retains power in Russia. A decisive win for Ukraine is a fatal loss for Putin and NATO are afraid of what he might do. They've always been afraid of him, so they sacrifice Ukraine. It is most cowardly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is becoming one of the largest armies in the world, and one of the two with big intensity war experience. They lack equipment and some training, but they have a lot to teach nato and a lot of manpower so nato citizen don't have to go to war in the near future.

They also were controlling a strategic piece of territory, which is why Russia invaded in the first place. Access to Mediterranean Sea. There's nothing the US love more than to have their enemies surrounded and blockades by US vassals. You know like Taiwan for example.