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I mean I do care about it in the sense that I care about not wanting the US to become even more of a white supremacist Christian fascist imperialist genocidal autocracy than it already is. But I don't see anything I can do about it that would be even remotely effective. And more than that I just don't see anyone else who actually cares about it enough to even try to do something about it so what good is me "caring" even supposed to do?

Now I do see a lot of white liberals (and "progressives", and even some white people who consider themselves leftists) panicking about it. But then when pressed about what is to be done to stop it, their solution is always, always, ALWAYS just "vote for (Genocide) Joe", which tells me they don't actually care about Project 2025, they just want to use it as a cudgel to get me to vote for the same ghouls who are blowing up Palestinians and who have let the spooky scary Republican Party get this powerful. But when I point out to them that they obviously don't really care because they aren't interested in addressing the roots of fascism or doing anything real to stop fascism, they get all indignant and upset at me, call my takes "disturbing", "monstrous", "privileged", "psychotic", and after getting that a bunch I do have to wonder if maybe I just have some massive blind spot and am getting this wrong. But they won't tell me what is actually factually wrong about what I say.

Besides, what do they want me to do about it? They can't seriously expect me to back a party that loves genocide, but they won't suggest anything else.

Idk I just feel like the majority of people I see raising a fuss about Project 2025 and the threat of a "Trump dictatorship" are comfortable, privileged white liberals, usually white queer liberals, who have never had to worry about the government targeting their demographics until the last few years. I and every other queer poc I know is like, "oh, they're going to go after me for another thing? Sure whatever, put it on the pile of other shit they throw at us, what's one more? Now let's get back to trying to stop the fascist Democratic Party from stealing money from our paychecks to bankroll a genocide against some of the actual most vulnerable and oppressed people in the world. If Project 2025 actually lands here we'll fight that too, but we will NEVER throw away our solidarity with the wretched of the earth to preserve what comfort we do have."

Please Hexbearians, tell it to me straight: Is Project 2025 something we actually need to pay attention to and if so what can we actually do about it? Or is the furor over it just a bunch of fragile white people panicking because they might finally be lumped in with the rest of us and finally get targeted for oppression too?

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 month ago (6 children)

if democracy really was at stake, why are they running Biden?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Following this line of reasoning, Democrats have the same relation to Republicans who are gonna carry out Project 2025, as the state has to the police in charge of enforcing the law. They're the ones that are even legitimizing the process in the first place, and there is no way that in any sane world Republicans could carry this out with a real opposition party.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Yeah the Democrats and Republicans are part of the same party.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: they are the left wing of fascism

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's "bomb the poor frothingfash" and "bomb the poor MAS "

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Internal party contradictions

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I also don't get how they can say "democracy is at stake" when the US isn't even a democracy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because anyone who thinks they can be president is full of themselves. All of them, maybe besides Washington, maybe, have been massive narcissists. Occam’s Razor suggests democracy is at stake, but that they don’t think they will lose.

Voting against the assholes who support 2025 is the only way to stop it at this point. If the fascists win, the genocide expands and comes here as well.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Bruh for Black and Native people like myself the genocide never stopped here so idk what you're on

What ballot can we vote for that will stop the US from arming Ukraine, Israel or Taiwan?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Voting against the assholes who support 2025 is the only way to stop it at this point.

Voting ain't stopping shit.

There are other ways to take power.