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If you're in a house that's on fire, and all the exits are locked, yes, it will get worse... But do you expect people to be excited when you say team blue is fighting hard to make sure you will be have access to buy a fire extinguisher with a 50% tax credit 2 years from now?
I think the point is more that the house is not yet on fire. Currently for most Americans it's more like the house has a leaky roof and it smells of dead rats in the walls. We're nowhere near the house on fire yet.
For white people
No but I probably still would not support any movement aiming to hasten collapse, because people with the indifference to bring about what that entails could not be trusted to lead in any humanistic way
Who’s trying to make the collapse come faster? It’s not like accelerationism is a strategy or something, it’s just a reasonable accurate view that helps one cope.
What movement are you talking about?
If there was such a movement trying to destroy America from within it would be incredibly based. Unfortunately for us, no such thing exists and instead it’s all chauvinist squishy libs doing nothing and acting like they know the path forward when they are clueless
I'm clueless too, but maybe I am a lib.
If only there was an immortal science of some kind
obviously the anarcho-marxist-bidenist clique, aunt tifa
Do you know what the words “revolutionary defeatism” means and do you believe it is your duty as a socialist?
Yeah, are you suggesting as socialists we should do whatever we can to help the status quo because things could get worse? Should we vote Biden and try to prevent capitalism’s crises? We already do espouse what could be done reformistically for propaganda purposes. The crisis is terminal, I don’t know what you want.
I don't think the context here is the same as when Lenin coined that term. He was largely advocating for defeatism in Russia because he thought weakening the Czar would enable a communist revolution within the country, which it did. That's not going to happen in the US, if anything our empire weakening will just make people here more reactionary.
You can, and clearly do, and I agree, support socialists within the Imperial Core trying to hasten the Empire's collapse any way we can (which isn't much honestly) as anti-imperialist praxis, but I don't thing the term "revolutionary defeatism" is really applicable to this strategy since it's not going to lead to a revolution, not here anyway.