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u/shanyangren - originally from r/GenZhouOk, it's gonna be a long one.
"Self determination" is only a necessity for oppressed people.
In Ukraine, Russians in the Donbas were concerned about systematic oppression under groups that liked Bandera, an ethno nationalist who wanted a racially pure Ukraine, so they declared independence.
If you take, for example the USA, native people, black people and latin people are systematically oppressed outside of the normal oppression experienced by proletariat living in a capitalist society. White people are not systemically oppressed.
If you take, for example, Scottish people living in the UK, they face no systematic oppression, the system is not specifically set up to oppress them, whereas the system is specifically set up to oppress Irish people. Hence why British MLs (atleast proper ones) don't support Scottish independence, but support Irish independence.
As such, it is reasonable, in my opinion, to support the independence of groups who would be targeted, and support the unification of groups who would not be targeted. Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, are not (or would not) be oppressed under the PRC. Thus, independence is not needed.
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u/all-thirty-four - originally from r/GenZhouthose poor serfs, they aren't getting their hands and legs cut off, or their skin used as ornaments
u/shanyangren - originally from r/GenZhouHow?
Having roads, railways, electricity, hospitals built? Their language and culture preserved as opposed to dominated and commodified like in other Asian countries? With 95% of children in Tibet learning Tibetan as a language in school?
How, exactly, is Tibet being oppressed?
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u/shanyangren - originally from r/GenZhouYes, it does. Infrastructure (or the lack thereof) is used to control people. If you do not have roads, hospitals, electricity, railways, it's impossible to be free.
No, I used language as an example. People in Tibet are completely free to practice whatever religion they want, eat whatever food they want, dress however they want, sing whatever songs and read whatever books they want (fun fact: the PRC banned the exact same amount of books as the USA since 1949).
Not an example of systemic oppression. One bad thing is not an analysis of the rights that normal people enjoy.
By who? The CIA?
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u/Tashathar - originally from r/GenZhouYour vacant mind is revealed in that first line. Keeping the infrastructure of a region up-to-date is the best way to allow it to develop, and its inverse, letting it rot away to keep the region underdeveloped is one of the simplest and most frequent tools of oppression.
The rest I'm not touching, you're clearly infatuated with the brutal slavers and theocrats of a bygone era.