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Decentralised YouTube alternative Odysee no longer serving ads (odysee.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Odysee, a decentralised YouTube alternative focused on free speech, is officially ending the serving of ads on the platform, starting today. The post:

"Dear friends of Odysee, Starting today, we're removing all ads. We don't need ads to make money as a platform and we are confident in the development of our own new monetisation programs that will help creators earn a living and at the same time keep Odysee alive. Ultimately, sacrificing the overall user experience to make a few bucks isn't worth it to us and nor is it even sustainable for a platform that wishes to make something truly open and creatively free.

As we take this decision, one thing is certain to us, media platforms (even ones that market themselves as 'free-speech') typically devolve into advertising companies and end up becoming beholden to their paymasters. It's been that way for centuries and is never going to change.

As we see YouTube become more aggressive with their ad deployment and 'Free Speech' platforms try to build their own ad businesses it's apparent to us that we're building a model for Odysee that will keep it sustainable not only financially, but in its ability to provide an incorruptible user experience.

Our approach may be considered niche or unconventional, that's fine by us. Odysee will be used by the world on terms that are agreeable to its users, and we know our users don't like ads.

Best, Founder & Creator, Chief Executive Officer. Julian Chandra"

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Good luck to them nevertheless, I hope they succeed.

Personally, I hope the platform that welcomes Nazis crashes and burns.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Freedom goes both ways. I hate nazis, but it's better to have their bullshit out in the open to be criticized, than have them group up on shady underground places that would only make it worse.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely fucking not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The Nazis already put their ideas out on the open, and we saw what happened.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The opposite is "the illusion of safety because of moderated platforms". One might think a platform that removes fake news would only have real news, but that's obviously not the case and creates an even worse landscape.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just because moderating platforms to eliminate Nazis only drives them to build their own spaces doesn't make deplatforming them the wrong move. I prefer them existing in the fringes rather than being accepted into the mainstream.

Tolerance for Nazis is only possible if you are ignorant of history, or if you are actively evil. "Stupid or Evil?" Isn't a great place to exist, but I have to conclude one way or the other every time I run into this "why don't we just hear the Nazis out?" narrative...

We know enough about Nazis already to tell them to go fuck themselves before they even open their mouths. Giving them a voice is an act of violence.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're doing the same as what others are trying to do to any open platform. You're claiming that me trying to defend absolute freedom of speech is the same as me asking why we don't hear them out. And as long as you believe that is the same, I'd rather not waste time discussing this.

Absolute freedom of speech goes both ways, indefinitely. If a platform is too heavily moderated and hides stuff like this, not only does it create the illusion that it does not exist, it also sets a precedent for abuse by the platform owners. The biggest example at the moment is how Musk uses X to suppress arguments that don't fit his narrative.

Filter bubbles are a very new concept and are much worse than coming across people spreading hatred and being able to tell them to suck it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

claiming that me trying to defend absolute freedom of speech is the same as me asking why we don't hear them out.

On privately operated online social spaces, that's exactly what you're asking.

Absolute freedom of speech goes both ways, indefinitely.

That's why free speech absolutism is a stupid idea that doesn't make sense.

The biggest example at the moment is how Musk uses X to suppress arguments that don't fit his narrative.

You think the biggest threat to free speech is Elon Musk moderating Twitter like an idiot? You and I are clearly not worried about the same things in regards to suppression of speech...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You think the biggest threat to free speech is Elon Musk moderating Twitter like an idiot?

No, I said it's the biggest example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Let's just forget about the book burning...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you but so few people think so today. They think censorship is the answer because if they don't see it, they feel better and can forget it exists.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Fuck no.