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I'm happy to see this being noticed more and more. Google wants to destroy the open web, so it's a lot at stake.

Google basically says "Trust us". What a joke.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If you are not using Firefox now is a good time to start.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just switched yesterday, was way easier than I thought it would be. I'm converted on all my devices, all my stuff has been synced from Chrome in a few clicks. Just do it people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

If you haven't already, check out Firefox Sync.

You can sync your stuff across Firefox instances (PC, mobile, different PC profiles etc.) You can choose to sync logins, open tabs, bookmarks, add-ons etc.

Each place you use Firefox can choose to sync different stuff, so for example you can sync logins everywhere but only sync open tabs on the PC.

In case you replace the phone or your PC HDD crashes etc. all you have to do is login back to Firefox Sync and you get all that stuff back.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I love Firefox so much. Specially the built in sync. I can browse something on my phone and open it on my computer later and continue where I left off.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently switched and all's good so far. Correct me if I'm wrong, wei would also be able to block certain browsers, including Firefox, right? I wish just switching browsers would be enough to avoid Wei though :/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If google gets their way websites will be able to block OS's and browsers. But if enough people switch to Firefox they won't be able to push this change as easily. Google Chrome has about an 80% marketshare in the browser market and most of the alternatives are forks of Chromium which google controls. If this doesn't change Google will be able to do anything they want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have too use Edge at work. Is Edge also implementing this shit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Im so sorry u should use it...

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Firefox in the meanwhile but long term we need to move away from the unfathomably bloated web ~~protocol~~ standard/browsers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Web protocol? Which one?

I wouldn’t consider http or dns bloated, for instance. And tcp/ip isn’t web-specific enough for me to think that’s what you mean by “the web protocol”.

Are you just trying to say you don’t like websites in a way that sounds techy?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s a rant about the complexity of modern browser engines, not the protocols. The web worked just fine before CSS and JS. The protocols aren’t the problem. Lynx is still being maintained if you want the web without the bloat of features like js and inline images.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, I do the same in my kitchen. One machine that does one job and then sits around unused for the rest of the year.

No, obviously that is not the way. I don't want to deal with 20 separate programs to do the job Firefox does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

When you want to use the scanner but can't because the printer is broken.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What’s the “web protocol”? Are you talking about HTTP?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Seems from their response to me asking the same thing, they mean browser engines, not anything to do with any of the protocols involved.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish I'd said "web standards" instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds.

Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Adding features endlessly, heedless of danger of the inate security issue from the complexity, makes for an uncompetative and ultimatly unsustainable ecosystem.

The alternative I believe in is to use seperare apps for each segmented feature (the dedicated video player plays the video, the browser merely fetches it).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Web standards are public, discussed openly, heavily scrutinised (including by security researchers) and available for any browser developer to implement.

You want to go back to the days of Realplayer, Acrobat Reader, Flash, etc, when individual companies made their own privately developed closed source apps?