this post was submitted on 08 Sep 2024
53 points (100.0% liked)

askchapo

22768 readers
407 users here now

Ask Hexbear is the place to ask and answer ~~thought-provoking~~ questions.

Rules:

  1. Posts must ask a question.

  2. If the question asked is serious, answer seriously.

  3. Questions where you want to learn more about socialism are allowed, but questions in bad faith are not.

  4. Try [email protected] if you're having questions about regarding moderation, site policy, the site itself, development, volunteering or the mod team.

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Especially in the modern context in the year of our lord 2024. Is it relevant? What do I need to know about it ?

EDIT : Thanks everyone for this really informative thread.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's a pretty nebulous term the roots of which are in Lenin's Imperialism in which he describes a class of workers that sides with imperialists because they receive a portion of the superprofits of imperial exploration.

Historically it was used to describe business union leadership or union workers more broadly, especially those in the war industries. Further left tendencies tend to broaden the scope of who is a labor aristocrat including professional workers or even the whole of the white working class.

Personally I think as Marxists we need to reckon with the fact that many workers in the imperial core have petite-bourgeois brain worms precisely because their minds have been thoroughly rotted by debt and consumerism subsidized by the blood and sweat of the global periphery. That doesn't mean we should eschew work among these workers but we should understand it's limitations.

For instance there's a massive naval shipyard near me that employs many people (mostly cis white dudes). They have a militant union and excellent pay and benefits. Unsurprisingly they're all ridiculously conservative and nationalist and I've had multiple employees there tell me war would be good for them because it would mean more work and better compensation. Just because many of these workers are union proles does not mean that they will easily align with the interest of the global proletariat and if we are organizing or agitating them we need to understand that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

war would be good for them because it would mean more work and better compensation

idk why they think their workplace getting hit with a cruise missile or nuke would be good for them but maybe i'm not smart

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Because they think USA would never be hit.