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What your message shows is that even when the data is in front of you, it's useless, because all you can see is your confirmation bias.
It specifically says "unadjusted".
You understand nothing on the subject and continue your crusade for some holy grail, because you believe it will bring prosperity to your entire nation or something. All this shows is that your average left voter is as dumb as your average far right voter.
There's a decade of research consistently showing that the most impactful factor contributing to the unadjusted gender pay gap is childbirth.
Single childess women with college degrees earn as much or slightly outearn their male competition.
These trajectories spectacularly diverge after the first child.
If you care about the unadjusted pay gap, you need to promote societal change that 1) enables and encourages men to take on childcare duties, 2) significantly improve daycare infrastructure, 3) realize that some couples will still decide that it's somehow better for the mother to spend time at home with the kids and take on less demanding jobs and/or lose many years of experience, and that this unadjusted pay gap in some capacity is here to stay for another century or so, and it's not a societal failure.
My evidence? A decade of research. 134 countries. https://www.henrikkleven.com/uploads/3/7/3/1/37310663/child_penalty_atlas_june2024.pdf
You can look at more of his papers on the subject.
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But hey, you can Google, anon, right?
I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish but all I'm seeing is you agreeing that there is a wage gap. You argument was "itβs often that women outearn men." Which you've now clarified that post marriage and post child they clearly do not. So before marriage or before a child they should, where's the data? The "useless" unadjusted data shows a smaller wage gap in younger employees (who are much less likely to be married or have children) but there's still a wage gap in many EU countries.