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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Not the core issue. My car does not run on Diesel, but I would not have any issues dragging such a caravan around. That is perfectly normal in Europe.

Why the Americans think one would need a thick fat pickup or truck just to pull a caravan is beyond me. Maybe it is just smart markting to make people buy even bigger cars than they ever need.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A quick search shows a civic can tow 1,100 lbs. A dodge caravan can tow 3,600 lbs. An F-150 tows 14,000 lbs.

Now someone may have a legitimate reason to need to tow thousands of pounds, such as someone who moves horses around.

But for normal use, my tool trailer comes in under 1,000kg (2,200 lbs); maybe someone working in a mountainous area would need more power? Most likely marketing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s like choosing to drive a tractor around. Those F150 are great machines in circumstances where they are needed, but to go food shopping, you don’t need that. I have a RAV4 hybrid (my work requires a large trunk space, and I have kids and a dog) and I get 50mpg and people are amazed compared to 12mpg of their truck. Go figure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yep. I've got a SEAT Alhambra because I need trunk space, too - and it's a nice trunk space, easy to use. And I can tow 1800kg, despite it being not a diesel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I haul more stuff with my little 4x8 utility trailer and small hybrid than most of the big F150 people around me. I routinely get full loads of compost from the municipal dump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My parents used to have a 2008 dodge Durango that they were told would be good enough to haul their 3500 lb camper. (Needed 7 seats for 5 kids + them)

This thing did not do well hauling the camper. It struggled going up the mountains where we vacationed and it struggled just as bad coming back down because the brakes couldn't handle the dead weight.

Now us kids have grown up and moved out and they got an F150 that hauls their new camper, about the same weight (3700 lb) like it's not even back there.

I think there's a lot more to it than how much weight the car can actually pull. But I couldn't say since I'm not that knowledgeable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The caravans in Europe are much lighter than the trailers in North America.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I've seen plenty of small "Euro-sized" cars pull fully loaded horse trailers, so I suspect weight is not much of an issue. You need to get power on the road, and for that bulkyness of the frame is hardly the main factor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they? As caravans are quite popular in Europe, I can't imagine we are missing something in a lighter caravan, so who do Americans have in theirs that makes the heavier?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From a quick look at an store for caravans a bit back it seems like the American caravans are much longer and have expanding sides. Basically you would need a lorry permit in Europe to be allowed to pull one of those.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Many of those are not really intended for travel, but as permanent housing. See also: Trailer Park.