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Saying they don’t support genocide isn’t really addressing the issue…
Most complaints are that they deny China’s treatment of Uyghurs and seem to conflate criticism of that with racism against “China” (conveniently ignoring the plethora of ethnicities in such a huge country). If they want to detach themselves from the controversy they should be making a statement denouncing the Chinese government’s treatment of people in Xinjiang. Their statement could be clearer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialism_101/comments/lua87n/why_does_china_have_so_many_cameras_on_the_streets/gp67qx9/
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is parentis_shotgun dessalines
I'm dying of laughter at this oxymoron.
you've been going so hard in this thread, have tankies sent you death threats in dms yet
https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/
Gross, tankie crap
fork run by non-idealogues when
Probably when the ideologues do something stupid that would require a fork to be made. Until then they're at least making useful software.
The honest way to separate the dev problem from the software would just defederate those instances. A fork would just spread dev resources thin
One can quite easily twist "we deny genocide is taking place" into "we don't support genocide." It's easy to say you don't support genocide when you're saying there's no genocide in the first place. Frankly, everything I've read about these guys is repellent and there's no way I'd be donating money to them. I gave money to Ernest, the developer of kbin, instead.
That said, though, this is completely true:
It's an open source program operating with an open protocol and they can't stop the rest of us from using it. If they ever try it'll just get forked. So I see no problem with having Lemmy be a major part of the Fediverse's infrastructure.
Exactly. I have no issue using the lemmy software (lord knows the developers of most other major social media platforms I've used in the past have had some messed up political views). But there's absolutely no way I'll be donating a penny to them. Ernest and admins of other major lemmy instances, yes, but not the tankie devs.
How do they deny this? Are they actively posting saying that this is not true?
it's a blurb in the linked announcement.
I do not see it. Could you copy the text?
oh, you're asking the opposite of what I thought.
Up until a week ago, yes they were still denying the genocide and suppressing attempts to talk about it (they call it "orientalism"). I think they've been too swamped to do much since then.
There are some links to their reddit above with older stuff.
I don't understand that rumor, a simple search on lemmy.ml/c/worldnews shows a lot of posts talking about the Uyghurs: https://lemmy.ml/search/q/Uyghurs/type/Posts/sort/New/listing_type/All/community_id/14788/creator_id/0/page/1
If they remove orientalist posts, that seems fair since the rules of the instances states that they don't allow biggotery. I would rather have those removed so we can have more constructive discussions around articles about the same topic but written in good faith, nobody wants lemmy to turn into the same troll farm that was reddit.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/471382
Here is Dessalines denying that any genocide is taking place.
Here I only see that some moderator, most likely on lemmy.ml (but not proven) bans statements critical of China. I do not see what you stated.
If you scrolled down you'd see Dessalines' comment. Although another user commented elsewhere that the URL was busted. Here is a SS for you:
That's what I was asking. Thank you!
Yeah they confuse criticizing China with racism against Chinese people. Additionally they claim that any source from and news agency or journalists in the US that says anything bad about the USSR or China is CIA propaganda and should be ignored but then exclusively site Chinese propaganda websites.
There's also a lot of other evidence: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/-/comment/294792
They say the same nonsense when Australian media also rightly criticizes them so it's not just a US issue. Just look at the way they tried to strong-arm Australia when they were called out a few years ago, they tried cutting off a range of imports to try economic pressure (which didn't work since plenty of other places will happily take wine, meat and product imports)
It was a great thing for Australia after some short-term pain, exporters saw how exposed they were to a single market and started to put effort into diversifying.