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To make solar power viable, we need a solution for overnight energy storage.

Batteries are complicated.

Do you know what isn't? Water go up. stonks-up

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The landscape footprint is huge, this type of equipment takes a lot, in size / materials / visual impact on the environnement. But that can be minimised, laws about industrial equipment out there in nature can be amended etc. And cf course, as already said here, require both water and elevation.

The alternative is supposedly simpler, actually pretty costly and high-tech, while nerd-rejoicingly elegant, with an even worse visual impact : molten salt reservoirs. While not applicable everywhere like pumped hydro that needs water and relief, molten salt tanks require lots of heat and relatively even grounds on a huge area. But that dispositive has such a pharaonic, simplistic disposition to it you cannot not love it.

Unfortunately, the Ouarzazate Noor experience in Morocco has proved it to be too costly and complex in a context where electricity is a competitive business where final price per kWh has actual importance for the end user, even on a state-sponsored project.

Energy has a cost. Visual, material, human... Financial.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Isn’t the salt very corrosive?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well, it's in a tank. Atop a 250m high tower. Smack in the centre of a ring of mirrors focusing all their heat on it. Liquified to generate steam.

I think the "corrosive" part is the least of the issues here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Just something I’ve heard from some people about molten salt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I guess cleaning up after a huge salt spill isn’t its also probably terrible for the ground when it leaks. From reading Wikipedia it also uses an obscene amount of fresh water.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean it also contains salt ;) as I said salt is corrosive sea water has 35 parts per thousand of salt in it and look how corrosive that is. Here we are talking about hot molten salt…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, saltwater is corrosive, pure salt is not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cool good to know, but why do they need to keep cleaning the pipes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Some of molten salt crystallizes on pipe walls, because they are colder, and it makes the pipe narrower.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S030645492100801X

Just from reading here a bit there seems to be some corrosion though. My chemistry is to shit atm to understand it though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

making it necessary to mitigate corrosion by either purifying the salt, controlling its redox potential in a reducing state, or using redox buffers

The salt is not pure enough, it seems.