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[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Or ml. Or Hexbear.

Why can't we have a leftist instance that doesn't suck CCP dick?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Blåhaj is here! I don't recall seeing a tankie with a blåhaj account, and also we have personalities outside of politics.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

If you check the Blahaj rules it explicitly states being tankie adjacent is a bannable offence, I love it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Marxists generally support AES, so instances that are pro-Marxism tend to be supportive of the CPC. I don't think there are any Syndicalist instances or anything, so you'd have to go to an Anarchist server like dbzer0 or something. Lemmy.world tends to be right-wing, especially because it's defederated from Marxist instances and some of the mods have ridiculed Marxism in general.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

AES?

Edit: Found it, "Actually existing socialism"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Yep! You got it. Cuba, PRC, the USSR (pre-dissolution), Vietnam, Laos, etc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

db0 is pretty neutral while being intentionally left.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't describe it as "neutral," it's definitely Anarchist dominant and the admins and users tend to be anti-Marxist. That's fine for its audience, but if someone wants a Marxist instance dbzer0 isn't really it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's fair. I find it comfortable, but I'm really weird politically.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's fine, like I said! If someone wants an Anarchist server and doesn't really want Marxists, dbzer0 is probably pretty comfy. Marxists tend to be on Lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, or Hexbear.net, which is also good. If someone wants to avoid Marxists, it's better to be on a different instance, one that isn't federated with them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I actually enjoy hexabearians but don't engage in political convos where I don't agree with them. Db0 works perfectly for that.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

most communities on ml are fine tho, also I got banned on hexbear because I called the CPC (their official name) CCP

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

The admins are tankies. It's just better to avoid it. The smaller their communities the more of a joke it is getting banned for writing a fact.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t have a problem with any of the communities but I regularly catch the instance ban hammer for asinine reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Solarpunk is one. I guess my instance is leftist too, however it is very tiny.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

dbzer0 is another one. It's an anarchist instance to be precise. @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

From what I know, dbzer0 is libertarian left and therefore not tankie

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If I had to choose between a libertarian and a tankie I'd shoot myself with a rusty spork.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Maybe I should have said "anarchist left". The term "Libertarian" is overtaken by the Right by now

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Libertarian left is very different from "libertarian"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

A lot of bad actors on Slrpnk but overall the community is anarchist leaning, anti-dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

https://queer-bolshevik.medium.com/the-aes-doctrine-wrong-then-wrong-now-a8666de371da

This is a good read. There is a pretty large socialist movement that seems to have the idea that to reach global socialism we need to defend every self proclaimed socialist state without asking any questions at all and hope they'll get better over time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Ultraleftism, found in the author's Maoist leanings, is also dogmatic. I really like the articles Socalism Developed China, Not Capitalism as well as Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the "Worker's Paradise?" as both help recontextualize AES from a materialist lens, specifically from the frame of Historical Materialism.

Blackshirts and Reds is a fantastic book, but the other 2 articles are 20 minutes each and Blackshirts and Reds is a full book.

Also, for what it's worth, you have defended Zionism and believe Israel as a Settler-Colonial project should remain. Not exactly Marxist analysis, is this? Marxists hold firm that Israel cannot exist without its settler-colonialism, and isn't a "nation," hence the unwavering support for Palestinian National Liberation (especially the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I love this article while also finding it frustrating. The author seems to be a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, but also goes into detail about how all the ML states have devolved into capitalism. Maybe that should be taken as evidence that ML's vanguard party is a fatally flawed concept?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The idea that China was socialist under Mao but became capitalist under Deng is a common Maoist take and something that distinguishes them from Marxist-Leninists, it's kind of in the name.

Sometimes when people call China capitalist, I half-jokingly ask if they're a Maoist, or if they think the best policy is closer to Mao than what they're currently doing. Of course, usually, the answer (when I get an answer at all) is no: they opposed what China was doing when it was more state-controlled and they opposed what China was doing when it did reforms and opened up to private investment, if they make moves to hold billionaires accountable to the law or to move more of the economy to the public sector, they're bad, and if they did the opposite, that would also be bad, but if they stayed steady, that too would be bad.

Maoists and Capitalists are both at least coherent in what they think China should do, in opposite extremes: either undo the reforms and revert to how it was or take it further and become more capitalist. Marxist-Leninists tend to have more nuanced takes about adapting to changing conditions, in line with what they've done. But then you have this other category that's super prevalent on Lemmy that wants to criticize China's every move without ever offering any kind of coherent idea of what they actually want them to do, economically. I don't even know what to call that position because it makes no sense to me at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Maoists are ultraleftists, they generally deviate from Marxism to an idealist, rather than a materialist degree. I recommend checking out my comment responding to them.

The Vanguard concept isn't flawed, it has real basis in materialist understanding. The idea that AES states have "devolved into Capitalism" is wrong as well (except the USSR into the various post-Socialist states). I recommend reading both Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the "Worker's Paradise?" as well as Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. The Dengist reforms were a reversion back towards Marxism, Mao had tried to achieve Communism through fiat without enough development of the productive forces and as such there were struggles and recessions.

Public Ownership and Central Planning works best on monopolist syndicates aquired by the State, that's the entire reason why Marxists say Capitalism creates Socialism and that the bourgeoisie produces its own gravediggers first and foremost, this monopolization into internally planned syndicates makes Socialism a natural evolution on Capitalism, not a "better society" to force into existence.

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