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No, I don't think China is revisionist. What China is doing is precisely what Lenin advocated with programs like NEP.
You keep saying that despite all evidence to the contrary.
And I see you continue to make straw man arguments instead of engaging with what I'm actually saying. Your claim that the Chinese are being repressed has zero basis in reality. So, you just made up an absurd claim then based your whole argument on it.
It's pretty obvious that you're just going to keep repeating the same line over and over here, so I don't think further discussion is going to be productive. Bye.
Literally the fucking article you linked says that those Maoists are being repressed, that's what the article is all about!
Oh the goal posts are now moving from Marxists being repressed to ultras being repressed.
What was the point of linking the article if the Maoists in it are not legitimate Marxists? Did you get your links mixed up or something, and you meant to link some unrelated article?
The article discusses other things which you ignored since they don't fit with the narrative you want to craft here. Why are you like this?
It's the main subject of the article! The whole thing is about the Jasic labor movement with other elements added in as context or because the liberal author has some ax to grind. It's not some sinister slight of hand that I took a link that you gave no specific commentary for and understood you to want me to see what the article is about. It's a big-ass article, which part were you hoping I'd know was what you wanted me to see?
Edit: Removed an incorrect tangent
Yes, it's a big article which allows you to cherry pick the parts that fit with the narrative you're peddling here. However, both articles show that Marxism is alive and well in China and it's very much being taught to the masses. The fact that you keep trying to pretend otherwise is frankly clownish in the extreme.
In any case, it's very obviously we're not going to convince each other of anything here. So, I'm going to leave it at that. You can keep believing whatever you like about China, it's not going to affect reality in any way.
So when I talk about Maoists in an article titled:
I'm cherry-picking
When I talk about the Jasic labor movement in an article that opens and closes talking about the Jasic labor movement and says "Jasic" no less than 142 times, I'm cherry-picking
I could actually cherry-pick and point to the non-negligible number of paragraphs like these:
spoiler
But I told you much earlier that I can identify when a liberal is writing a hitpiece on China and don't put much stock in these statements (don't get me started on the "Stalinism" part)
You don't need to search to find "The CCP is repressing X group" because the author says it constantly! And I don't even support the idea that all of those times are justified, to say nothing of all the other ridiculous negative views it gives air to, like some describing the CCP as "fascist".
I can't make a definitive statement, but from the evidence given, you are deeply unwilling or unable to engage with someone who doesn't immediately roll over and say "educate me!" but instead just has another view. You are so incredibly obstinate that I couldn't even get you to show me where in this article it says what you want me to read, and so when I come back saying "Wait, the people this article is written about aren't doing so well" you cry that I'm acting in bad faith!
I'm deeply unwilling to engage the same tired tropes. Nothing you've said is original in any way, and all these arguments have been rehashed a million times at this point. Having read actual books on the subject, and having talked to people from China, I've made up my view on how China is developing. Clearly your view is pretty different, and I frankly have no idea how much effort you've put into actually understanding how socialism in China is developing, but I simply don't see any point continuing this discussion. If you think China is revisionist then have fun with that.